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It won’t help

March 10, 2013

Recently I read an article on CNN’s website written by Jen Christensen; “How the violent mentally ill buy guns”....

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USABorn

Mar-12-13 2:31 AM

Bufftrev1 - 9:08 PM

"Hi usa.. just curious, but I'm wondering what the point to your extended post below. Is it that you are able to find examples of random liberal politicians behaving poorly?"

Buff, you work really hard at being dense or does it come naturally?

The ARTICLE had to do with property reassessment woes. Please show me where it mentioned ANYWHERE in the article the words LIBERAL or DEMOCRAT, or placing blame on ANY PARTY. Where does it say they were "random liberal politicians behaving poorly?"

If that is what you got from the article, it must be because YOU KNOW THAT IS ACTUALLY THE WAY LIBERALS ACT.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-11-13 9:08 PM

Hi usa.. just curious, but I'm wondering what the point to your extended post below. Is it that you are able to find examples of random liberal politicians behaving poorly? Acknowledged! It does happen, yes indeed.. do you think it would be hard for someone to reprint random examples of republicans acting ignorantly? Examples of them cheating on their spouses? Examples of them acknowledging voter id laws aren't about voter id's? It would not be especially hard to do.. seems to me like it would be easier to provide the polling sources you claim to follow so closely, rather than cut and paste such a lengthy example.. feel free to respond if you like but please do so without shouting or using caps. No reason you can't be polite.. have a nice evening!

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:36 PM

At the end of the 6:29 portion, I missed the following threat!

"See if you are able to pay your property taxes NOW!"

Eileen didn't understand what that shouted threat meant, until she returned to her home with her family.

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:31 PM

She surrendered her guns and was released on her own recognizance.

This is not America, ladies and gentleman.

This is TYRANNY.

Eileen Hart's parents were survivors of The Holocaust.

To her- this is like "Deja Vu all over again."

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:30 PM

The cops ran a background check- and it revealed that she had absolutely NO criminal record. It also showed that she was the lawful owner of two hand guns. She was advised to turn in the guns over to the court (surrendered or confiscated) - and they would be held for "safe keeping." If she did not- she was told by the police- her bail would be VERY high. And- if she could not make the bail- she would sit in the county jail until an unknown date.

The complaint (in part) states: The State of New Jersey vs. Eileen B. Hart -"The Defendant was yelling and screaming and making the threatening comment. "If the door is locked. I'll be back with a gun."

Ms. Hart denies she ever made this statement, as does her husband, Keith. However, this is how the complaint was written up by Clayton County Sergeant J. Dick- who, it may be noted, was not present during the meeting.

cont'd

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:30 PM

Eileen didn't understand what that shouted threat meant, until she returned to her home with her family.

When they arrived, there were 5 police cars from the Franklinville Police Department. They advised her that the Clayton Police wanted to talk to her about the allegations.

States Hart "For the record, both the police officers DID acknowledge that it was "an allegation."

Her purse was taken from her and she was put into a "paddy wagon," transported to the police station-

Her young daughter witnessed the events and was traumatized to see her mother being treated like a common criminal.

She was arrested and booked for "terroristic threats" and "contempt."

At the police station, she was handcuffed to a chair.

cont'd

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:29 PM

(This writer was under the impression that Tax Collectors collected taxes. They are NOT "law enforcement." But then, I am not a Tax Collector in New Jersey. )

Relates Hart: "She also wouldn't let me speak and told me to sit down and shut up and listen as well. That's when the young man came toward me. I knew he was going to put his hands on me. I saw him out of the corner of my eye. I said to him "Don't you dare touch me." Then they threw us out of the auditorium. The young man from Appraisal Systems, Inc. was the one going postal, and I believe if HE HAD A GUN, he would have shot me, Keith and Khloe on the spot. I was calm the entire time."

When the Harts left the gathering, they were followed into the parking lot of the community center, and the same young man who had been so upset by Ms. Hart's comments in the community center, started screaming and shouting at her, took down the license plate number of her vehicle and said -

cont'd

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:28 PM

Ms. Hart attended the meeting, armed with- as she said "her Constitution and the facts."

Said Hart "I tried to express my opinion and tell them that my Constitutional rights had been violated. I began quoting the Constitution, line by line.

Ms. Hart tried to explain, that Appraisal Systems, Inc. was attempting to inspect her property without her husband being present. As an Orthodox Jew, this is against the tenets of her religion. Her husband had to be present. According to Ms. Hart, she was unable to express this concern.

A representative of Appraisal Systems, Inc. -(<List of Appraisal System Employees at this link) apparently took offense to her objections and brought in Robyn Glocker-Hammond, the Tax Assessor - who stated that her job was to "enforce the law."

cont'd

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:27 PM

Now that the county is in for a reassessment of properties, is this what you have to look forward to?

N.J. Mother Arrested, Guns Confiscated- By Attending Property Tax Dispute Forum

Eileen Hart and her husband, Keith, are property owners in Newfield, New Jersey.

On Saturday, March 9 there was an informal meeting at the Gloucester Community Center, to discuss the findings on "revaluations" by Appraisal Systems, Inc.- a company which has been contracted by the state of New Jersey- to assess the fair market property values for each county or borough- for the tax assessor's offices.

There has been much derision caused by these "revaluations" by homeowners, because property values have fallen dramatically- and the real estate market has been hit very hard . There is nothing "fair" about the market or the home values that have been assessed, according to many New Jersey families.

cont'd

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USABorn

Mar-11-13 6:18 PM

The latest from another LIBERAL DEMOCRAT:

Representative Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), a top Congressional socialist, openly admitted during a rally in Chicago recently that going after “assault weapons” is only the beginning. Schakowsky said banning handguns is also on the agenda.

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MrShaman

Mar-11-13 8:22 AM

"Excellent letter Wesley!

The subject of mental illness and what to do about it as regards the "buying of guns," should be the topic of the day..." - USABorn

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Unfortunately, much like education...there ARE no short-term profits (realized), thru spending on mental-health evaluation/care.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-11-13 6:52 AM

@wwhickok

You're welcome. I didn't actually comment on your letter, I offered the editor my opinion of the title's they choose this week. The rest my comments were to fend of enigma's strawman.

Your title would have suited the article well.

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:12 AM

To Jerry, Thank you for your opinions, though I completely disagree with them. Thank you to everyone else for your thoughts as well.

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:11 AM

"How is this a failure of a Government Employee?" Is it not a Government Agency that currently handles the state reporting of Mental Illness? Some states are different in their reporting due to the differences in state laws.

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:08 AM

A mental evaluation should be able to be done at the request of an individual, in my mind, a certain # of times a year. (Other than the required once per year or whatever time from was deemed appropriate). Why? Because if someone is deemed 'unstable' they should have the right to 'appeal' that decision. Evaluations should be done at least once a year on a required basis, as to avoid "lifetime bans" without just cause. Also, I'm not advocating registering the violent mentally ill and not their guns. I'm advocating that if someone is violently mentally ill, they shouldn't own guns at all.

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:05 AM

Mental Health evaluations, in my opinion, need to be part of routine physicals, it also needs to be covered by your medical insurance (we pay enough for medical care as it is). This isn't a foolproof plan, but it would assist in increasing the accuracy of reports available. Hypothetically speaking, when someone is deemed 'medically unstable' that information should be provided to a 'government agency' that handles mental health reporting. Upon which time, that individual would become 'flagged' and would be unable to pass a background check for firearm purchases. My hypothetical solution here is based on not knowing how the medical system/reporting system actually works (Its not my field of expertise). There is no 'perfect solution' but banning guns isn't even a solution.

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:00 AM

Reprint.. Not sure why. Also, the title is not the title I provided, it's an 'Altered Title' that SG chose. The original title was "Why Gun Bans won't help"

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 8:25 PM

Yes, jerry, enigma really isn't all that much of a mystery.. perhaps diaphanous would be more appropriate. Enigma.. mon ami, I asked Terri and the library for it weeks ago, just saw her on Thursday and she didn't have it for me yet again. Perhaps it's such a compelling book it's on perpetual loan. Watching the Campaign, with Zach Galafankis. Pretty funny, you might want to check it out, enigma, I get the impression you could use a little laughter in your life..

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 5:20 PM

Hey Bufftrev1, yeah, it turns out it wasn't all that hard to "break the code" after all.

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enigma

Mar-10-13 4:41 PM

Jerry & Buff, I may not be all-knowing, but I seem to have Jerry pegged. I knew that he would never affirm the Second Amendment. Liberals have no problem with lying, but there are certain lies they will not tell. They will never lie about support for gun ownership even to defend the lie that they've never said they oppose it. I don't see why my inability to directly quote past posts by Jerry is worse than his refusal to defend what he said just today. Buff, have you read that book yet? You asked, I answered, you ignored. That's why I don't answer your questions anymore. You don't really want an answer, you just want to be able to complain if you don't get one. Complain away.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 3:43 PM

Hi jerry.. your not alone in attempting to call out enigma for his nonsense. He tries to come across as all wise, all knowing.. but when challenged or asked to clarify a position, he typically vanishes. Tucks tail and runs works too.. pity, because I've experienced moments of good and constructive dialogue with him/her although they're rapidly becoming a distant memory..

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 3:40 PM

Nobud, I still fail to understand what it has to do with the subject at hand.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 3:38 PM

Please excuse the lack of capitalization and otherwise jumbled text on my last two comments. I dictated them from my phone with less then satisfactory results.

I'm really very surprised by enigma refusal to owe up to his unfounded assertion. I judge people by the content of their character and today enigma demonstrated what he is made of.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 2:08 PM

when I was in the first grade while we were playing at recess one day, hey boy discovered that the pile of coins even left on the ground had gone missing. soon him and his friends demanded everyone nearby empty their pockets. everyone did except for me, I refused. I said that I did not take the money but that I did not have to prove it. soon after I was punched and kicked and*****down on the ground while my pockets were checked. they found nothing because I did not have the money.

I could have just emptied my pockets but I did not think it was right to have to prove I did not do something. and I still don't.

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enigma

Mar-10-13 1:49 PM

Jerry, You are not nearly important enough for me to catalogue your statements. I do not have a record of everything you say, but everyone who reads these comments knows your stand on guns. As evidence of this, I give you my challenge. I would not have felt comfortable in making it had there been any chance that you would affirm the Second Amendment. You have comfirmed my statement by refusing to refute it, which would have taken less effort than trying to weasel out of it. If you think that guns, or some sub-set of guns should be banned, just say so, if you believe in the right to keep and bear arms, say so, but don't try to waffle somewhere in between.

As far as your stupid pedofile statement. I will gladly give you my stance on it. I oppose legalizing pedophiia under any circumstance. I support all laws prohibitting it and would even support stronger penalties for it. See, it's not so hard to state a position. Try it.

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