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March 10, 2013

Recently I read an article on CNN’s website written by Jen Christensen; “How the violent mentally ill buy guns”....

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USABorn

Mar-10-13 1:22 AM

Excellent letter Wesley!

The subject of mental illness and what to do about it as regards the "buying of guns," should be the topic of the day, not the "banning of guns."

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 6:26 AM

Yeah, but it's so much easier to point to a menacing looking weapon and say 'that's the problem, let's ban it' than to try to come up with ways to identify the mentally ill and ways to keep them from obtaining weapons.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 7:30 AM

To the editor: I give you guys a grade of "F" this week for the titles of the letters.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-10-13 7:34 AM

In other words, government at all levels fails to do its proscribed job and, as a result, we punish the honest citizens with bans, registration and denigration.

Government employees fail over and over again, but instead of firing the lazy, we expand gov't beyond incompetent levels.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 8:24 AM

eriklatranyi-"Government employees fail over and over again, but instead of firing the lazy, we expand gov't beyond incompetent levels."

How is this a failure of a Government employee?

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enigma

Mar-10-13 8:47 AM

Two thumbs up! Wesley has put some real thought into his stance on the gun control issue and put together some points that are hard to argue, as evidenced by JerryfromRI's comment. Poor Jerry wants so badly to ban guns, but he can't find the fault in Wesley's letter, so he faults the SG for the titles of letters this week.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 8:55 AM

Challenge to Enigma: produce ANY comment that I have ever made advocating banning guns.

I await your evidence or your retraction.

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rick424

Mar-10-13 9:09 AM

So the government has to address it. How so and who is going to pay for it?

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CMReeder

Mar-10-13 9:29 AM

Wow Wesley! So you want to address the unreported violent mentally ill and their gun buying by how? Through background checks on what, guns or mental fitness? Maybe both. Are you advocating registering the violent mentally ill and not their guns? If you are advocating registering the violent mentally ill and their guns why not the rest of the population as well? Are we to give a mental evaluation to everyone who purchases a gun or just to every citizen before they buy a gun? How long does a mental evaluation last? A lifetime, years, months, days?

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nobud74

Mar-10-13 11:01 AM

This was a well thought out letter. Yes, govt employees fail every day. And, instead firing them and getting competent ones, we hire more. That is dumb. But, also, we have an inept govt that often puts their staff in positions where they are unable to do a good job. The answer just may be to scale back govt and it's staff.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 11:16 AM

nobud74-"Yes, govt employees fail every day."

Nobud, I asked erik and now I'll ask you. How is this a failure of a government employee?

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nobud74

Mar-10-13 11:30 AM

mike, all employees, private and public fail. We have a govt system that says if you are failing, we will get more help--no mention of changing policy or anything else to help the employee do better, just expand the staffing. That is the meaning of the next sentence in my post.

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enigma

Mar-10-13 12:52 PM

Challenge to Jerry: If you don't want to ban guns, just say so and I will be shown to be wrong.

I await your declaration of support for the Second Amendment, with no restriction for law abiding citizens.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 1:20 PM

@enigma

using that logic I could make this statement " enigma is a confessed pedofile", and unless he be clears otherwise it must be true.

you cannot find a comment that I have made that's as that advocates banning guns, because I have not made such a comment. demonstrate that you have some integrity and retract your statement.

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enigma

Mar-10-13 1:49 PM

Jerry, You are not nearly important enough for me to catalogue your statements. I do not have a record of everything you say, but everyone who reads these comments knows your stand on guns. As evidence of this, I give you my challenge. I would not have felt comfortable in making it had there been any chance that you would affirm the Second Amendment. You have comfirmed my statement by refusing to refute it, which would have taken less effort than trying to weasel out of it. If you think that guns, or some sub-set of guns should be banned, just say so, if you believe in the right to keep and bear arms, say so, but don't try to waffle somewhere in between.

As far as your stupid pedofile statement. I will gladly give you my stance on it. I oppose legalizing pedophiia under any circumstance. I support all laws prohibitting it and would even support stronger penalties for it. See, it's not so hard to state a position. Try it.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 2:08 PM

when I was in the first grade while we were playing at recess one day, hey boy discovered that the pile of coins even left on the ground had gone missing. soon him and his friends demanded everyone nearby empty their pockets. everyone did except for me, I refused. I said that I did not take the money but that I did not have to prove it. soon after I was punched and kicked and*****down on the ground while my pockets were checked. they found nothing because I did not have the money.

I could have just emptied my pockets but I did not think it was right to have to prove I did not do something. and I still don't.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 3:38 PM

Please excuse the lack of capitalization and otherwise jumbled text on my last two comments. I dictated them from my phone with less then satisfactory results.

I'm really very surprised by enigma refusal to owe up to his unfounded assertion. I judge people by the content of their character and today enigma demonstrated what he is made of.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 3:40 PM

Nobud, I still fail to understand what it has to do with the subject at hand.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 3:43 PM

Hi jerry.. your not alone in attempting to call out enigma for his nonsense. He tries to come across as all wise, all knowing.. but when challenged or asked to clarify a position, he typically vanishes. Tucks tail and runs works too.. pity, because I've experienced moments of good and constructive dialogue with him/her although they're rapidly becoming a distant memory..

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enigma

Mar-10-13 4:41 PM

Jerry & Buff, I may not be all-knowing, but I seem to have Jerry pegged. I knew that he would never affirm the Second Amendment. Liberals have no problem with lying, but there are certain lies they will not tell. They will never lie about support for gun ownership even to defend the lie that they've never said they oppose it. I don't see why my inability to directly quote past posts by Jerry is worse than his refusal to defend what he said just today. Buff, have you read that book yet? You asked, I answered, you ignored. That's why I don't answer your questions anymore. You don't really want an answer, you just want to be able to complain if you don't get one. Complain away.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 5:20 PM

Hey Bufftrev1, yeah, it turns out it wasn't all that hard to "break the code" after all.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 8:25 PM

Yes, jerry, enigma really isn't all that much of a mystery.. perhaps diaphanous would be more appropriate. Enigma.. mon ami, I asked Terri and the library for it weeks ago, just saw her on Thursday and she didn't have it for me yet again. Perhaps it's such a compelling book it's on perpetual loan. Watching the Campaign, with Zach Galafankis. Pretty funny, you might want to check it out, enigma, I get the impression you could use a little laughter in your life..

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:00 AM

Reprint.. Not sure why. Also, the title is not the title I provided, it's an 'Altered Title' that SG chose. The original title was "Why Gun Bans won't help"

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:05 AM

Mental Health evaluations, in my opinion, need to be part of routine physicals, it also needs to be covered by your medical insurance (we pay enough for medical care as it is). This isn't a foolproof plan, but it would assist in increasing the accuracy of reports available. Hypothetically speaking, when someone is deemed 'medically unstable' that information should be provided to a 'government agency' that handles mental health reporting. Upon which time, that individual would become 'flagged' and would be unable to pass a background check for firearm purchases. My hypothetical solution here is based on not knowing how the medical system/reporting system actually works (Its not my field of expertise). There is no 'perfect solution' but banning guns isn't even a solution.

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wwhickok

Mar-11-13 6:08 AM

A mental evaluation should be able to be done at the request of an individual, in my mind, a certain # of times a year. (Other than the required once per year or whatever time from was deemed appropriate). Why? Because if someone is deemed 'unstable' they should have the right to 'appeal' that decision. Evaluations should be done at least once a year on a required basis, as to avoid "lifetime bans" without just cause. Also, I'm not advocating registering the violent mentally ill and not their guns. I'm advocating that if someone is violently mentally ill, they shouldn't own guns at all.

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