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A destructive sham

March 11, 2013

The president is wrong to support Gay marriage. His whole argument is based on false information....

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pinecr

Mar-14-13 2:04 PM

Mr. Seaman, great letter, couldn't agree with your more. The problem in this country is that movies have gays in them so kids think it is a normal lifestyle when it is not. What a shame that in the future when my son has children, they will not know what is normal or if they should have two parents who are female, or two parents who are male, or if they are truly dating a female or a male or has that person had surgery. It is becoming a sickk society to say the least.

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Zippie

Mar-13-13 9:34 AM

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke 6:41 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stoneat her." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you j

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-12-13 10:11 PM

"Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." ---1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NLT)

It's nice that God can forgive those that repent and call upon Him.

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WKnapp

Mar-12-13 9:40 PM

Jesus admonished many of those He healed, "Go, and sin no more." NOTICE, that's NOT, "Go, and continue whatever behavior you engaged in before." "SIN NO MORE!" A change of behavior is required. A changed life is the hallmark of a relationship with the risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

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Billtown101

Mar-12-13 3:33 PM

I highly doubt Mr. S. is qualified to affirm or condemn, bless or curse, the love that exists between two individuals. Do you see yourself in some exulted seat of power over mankind, sir? What is wrong with Love? - What is your issue with marriage? Should every adult considering marriage check with YOU first? What's next, an uneducated tirade on inter-racial marriage? OOPS, the government beat you to the punch on THAT one!! Sounds like people in Love, need protection from YOUR TYPE also!!

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CMReeder

Mar-12-13 9:41 AM

Good post nobud at 12:21 pm. I agree with you.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 8:37 AM

Bufftrev1-"I'd be willing to wager that you're are good citizen, husband and father. My hope for you and your family would be that you do not create a bias against science for your kids."

Why would I do that? Science has brought us many good things; all our modern conveniences, health care advances, etc. Science has it's place in our lives and is used for good things. Science is great when used to for such things and when doing stuff that can be duplicated.

Science falls short when it uses theory that can't be tested or duplicated. Evolution is one. While everything evolves, we just don't have scientific proof that we came from monkey's and apes. The random creation of the universe and life out of nothing is another. The proof just isn't there. Both are based on faulty speculative theory (see The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel)." - mikekerstetter

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Try some adult-logic, instead.

See:

God is Impossible

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Class144

Mar-12-13 8:22 AM

"I believe in heaven and in hell. I want everyone to go to heaven. It's not about condemning them, it's about telling them the truth of salvation."

So? Belief has nothing to do with truth and proof. I believe we all got to Planet X after we die. You see, the problem with your failed logic is your assumption you know what happens after we die. You don't. What happens if God is pro-gay and doesn't appreciate anti-gay sentiment? You may be on your way to the lakes of fires.

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Class144

Mar-12-13 8:19 AM

"The proof just isn't there."

Yes, one thing is certain. There is zero proof for the existence of your god. Zero. Zero. Zero.

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Class144

Mar-12-13 8:18 AM

"Evolution is one. While everything evolves, we just don't have scientific proof that we came from monkey's and apes."

Wrong. We have overwhelming proof we evolved from primates, including DNA, our molecular makeup, etc. etc. Of course Christians will do anything to refute this because it shows the Bible is a myth. Science also proves that people don't rise from the dead, the Earth is @ 4.5 billion years old, snakes can't talk, virgins can't get pregnant from space gods, and on and on and on...

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mikekerstetter

Mar-12-13 6:47 AM

Bufftrev1-"I'd be willing to wager that you're are good citizen, husband and father. My hope for you and your family would be that you do not create a bias against science for your kids."

Why would I do that? Science has brought us many good things; all our modern conveniences, health care advances, etc. Science has it's place in our lives and is used for good things. Science is great when used to for such things and when doing stuff that can be duplicated.

Science falls short when it uses theory that can't be tested or duplicated. Evolution is one. While everything evolves, we just don't have scientific proof that we came from monkey's and apes. The random creation of the universe and life out of nothing is another. The proof just isn't there. Both are based on faulty speculative theory (see The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel).

So, while science is important and certainly has it's place, it's not fail proof.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 6:31 AM

"Yes, a wonderful, wonderful book." - Class144

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No doubt...and, all about "love".

See:

Murder in the Bible

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 6:23 AM

"Class, as I've suspected all along, you have no desire to learn anything from the Bible or about the Bible." - mikekerstetter

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It's quit possible that Class isn't bi-polar...pretty-much a REQUIREMENT, to digest The Bible.

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See:

Biblical Contradictions

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 6:17 AM

"Class, as the saying goes, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. That applies here.

There is a huge difference between 'reporting' what went on at the time and what was being condoned. Likewise, you've got to realize that there were three kinds of laws given in the Bible; moral, ceremonial and civil. The latter two were fulfilled with Jesus' crucifixion and Resurrection, the moral laws were not. Eating shellfish was a Ceremonial law. Homosexuality is a Moral law. Therein lies the difference." - mikekerstetter

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It truly is amazing, that...in this-day-and-age...someone still allows such tribal-based crap to "guide" their Life...and, absolves them of any-and-all (actual) thought.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 6:05 AM

"If it is true that homosexuals have more health issues, it should be investigated to determine the cause." - eriklatranyi

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IF "..it is true.."??????

You Glenn beck fans are toooooooooo obvious.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 6:03 AM

Tom Seaman-"And we're not being "kind or loving " to our friends & family members by encouraging them to deny the truth of their condition. That's not true love."

That is true. If we truly love the person we will lovingly point out to them the truth." - mikekerstetter

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Careful what you ask-for.

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See:

Biblical Intolerance

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 5:57 AM

USABorn-"I know a number of gay people.....everyone of them LIVES a christian life.."

Sorry, USA, but they are not living a Christian life. That's not to say that gay people can't be otherwise good people. I also know quite a few gay people and most would give the shirt off their back to help you out. But they are living a sinful lifestyle according to the Bible." - mikekerstetter

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Than, we need to SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER what constitutes a "Good Book"!!!!

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 5:54 AM

"Homosexuality is not normal and not healthy in the human soul. The facts are clear. Even the U.S. government's own statistics support this." - Tom Seaman

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Hmmmmm...the "government" is maintaining data that evaluates what's "not healthy in the human soul"???

Which department would that be??

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WKnapp

Mar-11-13 11:14 PM

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pretty clear that being "a good person" isn't good enough. We must know, as in have a personal relationship with, Jesus.

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Zippie

Mar-11-13 6:48 PM

HIV/AIDS - straight people have it too. Even nuns.

Marriage? Well Liz Taylor made a joke of that didn't she!

Like it or not, people are different.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-11-13 6:29 PM

Hi mike.. despite our differences of opinion regarding politics and religion, I'd be willing to wager that you're are good citizen, husband and father. My hope for you and your family would be that you do not create a bias against science for your kids. It is through the window of science that we continue to learn more about who we are, where we've come from and the wondrous innermost workings of our planet and our universe. Religious teachings sometimes work in opposition to the awe and the truths revealed through learning and understanding. I would hope that you find a way, if that paradox exists, to find a way to make it work. That is my hope for you..

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mikekerstetter

Mar-11-13 6:10 PM

nobud, I get the impression that you believe anything said would be confrontational. I know it is a lost art here on these boards, but there can be civil and loving disagreement.

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nobud74

Mar-11-13 6:01 PM

Mike, there is the problem. I want my kids to be happy and healthy. If they find their way to a religion that gives them peace and strength, that is a bonus. To that end I would err on the side of being open and allowing them to come to me rather than me voicing my opposition to their choice. They know full well what you believe and how you feel. You don't have to reinforce it.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-11-13 5:35 PM

nobud, I want my children to go to heaven, and living a sinful life is detrimental to them. To me, it's that simple. I believe in heaven and in hell. I want everyone to go to heaven. It's not about condemning them, it's about telling them the truth of salvation.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-11-13 5:32 PM

USA, in order to be forgiven you must first repent of your sin.

2 Chronicles 7:14 "If My people, which are called by My Name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

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