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A destructive sham

March 11, 2013

The president is wrong to support Gay marriage. His whole argument is based on false information....

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USABorn

Mar-10-13 3:13 AM

Mr. Seaman, when did GOD appoint you to be the judge of mankind?

I know a number of gay people.....everyone of them LIVES a christian life (as oppposed to the Sunday lip service of many). They are responsible, taxpaying citizens, faithful to their partners. A couple are even parents. None of them would abuse a child.

The divorce rate among heterosexuals in this country is outrageously high. Of the homosexual couples I know (and have known in my lengthy lifetime), everyone of them are either still together or were separated by death.

They are delightful to be around and converse with. The gays I know are college grads, with nice homes, and beautiful manners. Their friendship knows no bounds and they would do anything for their friends/families.

A number of them have served honorably in the armed forces, and one is a police officer.

You Mr. Seaman, could simply be a miserable excuse for a human being!

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Ritty77

Mar-10-13 7:01 AM

Gays are far more normal and have healthier souls than whatever is driving your thinking, Mr. Seaman.

Eww.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 7:27 AM

USABorn-"I know a number of gay people.....everyone of them LIVES a christian life.."

Sorry, USA, but they are not living a Christian life. That's not to say that gay people can't be otherwise good people. I also know quite a few gay people and most would give the shirt off their back to help you out. But they are living a sinful lifestyle according to the Bible.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 7:30 AM

Tom Seaman-"And we're not being "kind or loving " to our friends & family members by encouraging them to deny the truth of their condition. That's not true love."

That is true. If we truly love the person we will lovingly point out to them the truth.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-10-13 8:19 AM

I do not agree with all the author's assertions, but, once again, the name calling will overshadow any objective look at the facts.

If it is true that homosexuals have more health issues, it should be investigated to determine the cause.

Should we just condemn homosexuals to a lower standard of living for fear of offending someone?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-10-13 8:43 AM

USABorn,

A church member, Sunday school teacher, pleasant, friend of mine was having an adulterous relationship with a younger co-worker of his in a different city. He said that the woman would tell him how good he was at relating to people and meeting them on a deeper emotional level. Also, she appreciated him for all he was, lavished platitudes on him, and "completed" him. [the way I saw it was she was feeding his ego and making him feel appreciated].

Should I tell him to pursue the new relationship because she makes him feel so good or should I tell him to break it off and be restored to his wife of 25 years (and two daughters; the youngest of which is a junior in high school)?

What would God want?

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CMReeder

Mar-10-13 8:51 AM

LOL

The good Chritians are being truthful about everyone but themselves.

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Class144

Mar-10-13 9:15 AM

This letter is a perfect example of why Christian Fundamentalism is not healthy to the human condition.

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Class144

Mar-10-13 9:16 AM

"But they are living a sinful lifestyle according to the Bible."

And so are you if you eat Shrimp.

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Class144

Mar-10-13 9:22 AM

"The facts are clear. Even the U.S. government's own statistics support this."

The facts are also clear that adults living in cold weather states such as Pennsylvania, suffer higher rates of obesity and coronary problems than those who live in warmer climates such as San Diego. Maybe this is because once winter sets in they become mostly sedentary and subsist on cheese steaks, Genesee Cream Ale, and Steelers games.

What is our world coming to? Pray, I tell you, pray before it's too late.

God was punishing us by making the Steelers release James Harrison.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 9:47 AM

Class, as the saying goes, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. That applies here.

There is a huge difference between 'reporting' what went on at the time and what was being condoned. Likewise, you've got to realize that there were three kinds of laws given in the Bible; moral, ceremonial and civil. The latter two were fulfilled with Jesus' crucifixion and Resurrection, the moral laws were not. Eating shellfish was a Ceremonial law. Homosexuality is a Moral law. Therein lies the difference.

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rick424

Mar-10-13 9:59 AM

what did you do Texas?

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Class144

Mar-10-13 10:02 AM

"Class, as the saying goes, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. That applies here."

Ass the saying goes, you are are trying to defend the indefensible. Either the Bible is the infallible word of God, which means everything in it is true, or it is fallible, which means it's allegorical and not true.

If, as most Fundamentalists do, you believe the former, then you also believe in talking snakes, the young earth, zombies rising from the dead, and murdering children for working on the Sabbath, be it a ceremonial murder, or otherwise.

You can claim fulfillment any way you like, but the commands are still there in scripture. Please, let me know once you make up your mind?

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 10:14 AM

Class, as I've suspected all along, you have no desire to learn anything from the Bible or about the Bible. I'll just go back to ignoring your posts. Have a nice day.

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philunderwood

Mar-10-13 11:05 AM

Homosexuals should have the same rights as anyone else under the law. Religious organizations, being private entities, should have the right to accept or condemn homosexuality. Private organizations like the Boy Scouts or fraternal orders should have the right to limit their membership as they choose.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 2:15 PM

Hi class.. excellent posts, as always. Poignant, direct and to the point, it is not surprising that the religious folks on here have difficulty answering.. much easier to tuck tail and run. Watching The Dark Knight Rises, pretty good flick..

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 3:50 PM

Bufftrev1-"...it is not surprising that the religious folks on here have difficulty answering.. much easier to tuck tail and run."

It's not tucking tail and running. There is no point in discussing issues with those whose only purpose is to antagonize. After attempting to explain it, it's apparent to me that there is no intent to discuss it in adult terms and he is only here to ridicule and antagonize.

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LaughIn

Mar-10-13 4:27 PM

Tom Seaman must be Mike Hunt this week. Enjoy

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 4:54 PM

Hi mike.. I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree.. no big surprise. Classes questions were pretty straightforward.. I don't believe morality to be universal. In my opinion, tolerating and supporting homosexuality is the moral imperative. Is it fair to say there was a fourth kind of law in the bible, one that states you can willfully ignore select parts of the book? Or are you trying to assert that the stonings, adultery, shellfish, working on the sabbath, ect, was just reporting, not gods wishes? I just reread classes questions to you, they are quite polite and, in theory, simple.. highly recommend the batman movie I referenced earlier, good story!

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mikekerstetter

Mar-10-13 6:15 PM

Bufftrev-"Is it fair to say there was a fourth kind of law in the bible, one that states you can willfully ignore select parts of the book? Or are you trying to assert that the stonings, adultery, shellfish, working on the sabbath, ect, was just reporting, not gods wishes?"

Nope, never said they weren't there, nor is anyone ignoring anything. There is way too much to explain in the confines of the comments here. But as I said, some of those were fulfilled by Jesus, others were not.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-10-13 6:38 PM

Ok, mike.. gracias! Rent the batman movie I told you about.. great ending to it..

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Class144

Mar-10-13 7:33 PM

"But as I said, some of those were fulfilled by Jesus, others were not."

Whether or not you believe Jesus 'fulfilled' the OT is your imperative, however, it does not negate the fact that you worship a 'god/book' that advocates genocide, slavery, rape, torture, child abuse. How can a person with children worship a god that commanded Abraham to gut his own son, only to change his mind at the last moment. And then there is the wonderful ending to Psalm 137, which most churches omit from their readings:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”

Yes, a wonderful, wonderful book.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-10-13 9:58 PM

Psalm 137...

Babylon was along the Euphrates River and there were no rock formations or cliffs to dash infants against. The walls of the fortress were made with sun-dried brick and tar/pitch to hold them together. So what did this verse mean; was it literal or figurative?

Note that some of the Psalm is prophetic; it was written in advance of Judah being destroyed and the people being taken into captivity by Babylon. I propose that it meant that God was going to destroy and punish Babylon and all her progeny for her proud assault against God and the nation of Israel [Judah]. Babylon later destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple (586 BC). Of course, Babylon was an instrument of God to punish the nation of Judah for their disobedience. Later the Medes (King Darius) captured Babylon (539 BC). About 3 years later, Cyrus issues an edict so some of the Jews could return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-10-13 10:10 PM

Rick424,

Myself and some others met with the husband to encourage him to restore his relationship with his wife. Enough said.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-10-13 10:44 PM

On Psalm 137, I found another source putting the writing during the captivity period but still before the Medes overthrew Babylon and the rebuilding of the temple. I believe I favor this view but still doesn't detract from the message.

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