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March 12, 2013

Many people are saying that they are tired of the gun control debate....

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 5:22 AM

"You can either stand up for all of your rights or none. You do not get to pick and choose. If you decide that the government can arbitrarily take away rights, they will be the ones to choose which rights, and it will eventually be all of them." - Paul Rinker

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I guess you haven't heard..."Marine Corps Commandant James Amos urged personnel in a video posted online Friday to "save every round, every gallon of gas...".

It appears any imminent-threats (against gun-owners) are diminishing.

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CarlHiller

Mar-12-13 5:33 AM

Mr.Rinker - Great LTE. It's a shame so many do not know the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

"It appears any imminent-threats (against gun-owners) are diminishing." Shamm- I disagree, they are not diminishing. They are just going slightly undercover due to the vast outpouring of 2nd amendment support. The time is not ripe for them to pick from the vine. There has been an incredible bulk purchasing of ammo by the DHS, having issued an purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Media reports indicating “some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers". That’s an awful lot of bullets for a national government that claims they don't want to confiscate private weapons.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-12-13 5:54 AM

If you do not like firearms rights, amend the constitution or shut up.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-12-13 6:30 AM

"Whether it is a good idea to ban one type of weapon or another is immaterial at this point, because the Constitution does not allow it."

Are fully automatic weapons legal? (just curious)

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rick424

Mar-12-13 6:44 AM

You are right, many are tired of the gun control debate. Until the next massacre and then we will start over again with the right saying "we need our guns" and the left saying "we need to protect our children" Glad I am on the left.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-12-13 6:50 AM

Hi erik.. by your logic, if you don't like abortion, repeal the law or shut up. If you don't like ACA, repeal the law or shut up. Have a nice day.

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Premier

Mar-12-13 7:07 AM

Since abortion and the ACA are not guaranteed rights under the constitution I'm not feeling the "logic" your using Buff.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-12-13 7:08 AM

Bufftrev1:

Nice try, but abortion is not in the constitution and neither is the ACA.

Both can be repealed with a simple vote. Firearm rights cannot be repealed this way.

Learn the difference.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-12-13 7:10 AM

rick424:

"We need to protect our children"

Then protect the children with armed guards rather than tell them to hide in an unsecured room on their knees waiting to be executed.

Gun bans do not protect children....if you believe that, then you are naïve.

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enigma

Mar-12-13 7:21 AM

JerryfromRI,"Are fully automatic weapons legal? (just curious)"

Are you saying that one violation of the Constitution makes all violations of the Constitution permissible? I believe that is exactly what Mr. Rinker is saying. We need to stop this. As an ardent supporter of gun rights, I would think you would agree. Be careful, it's statements like this that make people think that you are anti-gun.

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enigma

Mar-12-13 7:28 AM

rick424,"we need to protect our children"

If gun bans saved children, those at Sandy Hook would be alive today. They were killed in a gun free zone in a state where there is a law against murder. How do you suppose with all that protection they ended up dead? Could it be that criminals do not obey the law? Maybe we should pass a law against crime. Laws do not protect people, they only provide for the punishment of those who break them. People can only be protected by the threat or use of force.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-12-13 7:28 AM

@enigma

I asked a simple question.

Your reaction to a simple question is what is wrong with the discourse in this country today.

So what is the answer? Are fully automatic weapons legal? Do you just need a special permit? I honestly don't know - that's why I asked.

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rick424

Mar-12-13 7:55 AM

That is right, bring more guns into the equation. What an odd way to think.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 8:05 AM

"It appears any imminent-threats (against gun-owners) are diminishing."

Shamm- I disagree, they are not diminishing. They are just going slightly undercover due to the vast outpouring of 2nd amendment support. The time is not ripe for them to pick from the vine. There has been an incredible bulk purchasing of ammo by the DHS, having issued an purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Media reports indicating “some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers". That’s an awful lot of bullets for a national government that claims they don't want to confiscate private weapons." - CarlHiller

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Do you HAVE any (other) resources, verifying that info...besides Wayne LaPierre???

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MrShaman

Mar-12-13 8:09 AM

"Since abortion and the ACA are not guaranteed rights under the constitution I'm not feeling the "logic" your using Buff." - Premier

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So, you're saying what...that our Supreme Court VIOLATES the intent of our Constitution?

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Class144

Mar-12-13 8:14 AM

"Do you HAVE any (other) resources, verifying that info...besides Wayne LaPierre???"

Of course he doesn't. But a quick look-see at Snopes will show that it's a fear-based myth.

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CarlHiller

Mar-12-13 8:28 AM

"Both can be repealed with a simple vote. Firearm rights cannot be repealed this way." eriklatranyi - You are so right, too many have confused the issue of rights with government granted privileges. The only way to change protected rights is by constitutional amendment. Does not matter what the President, Congress or the courts say.

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CarlHiller

Mar-12-13 8:28 AM

"our Supreme Court VIOLATES the intent of our Constitution? " Absolutely!!

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Bufftrev1

Mar-12-13 8:54 AM

Hi erik and premier- apparently you didn't notice.. I didn't say either was in the constitution, I said repeal the law. Learn to read. The main point of my post was to point out eriks apparent rudeness. Doesn't feel good to be told to shut up, does it?

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CHayes

Mar-12-13 9:17 AM

"Many people are saying that they are tired of the gun control debate. So am I! The debate we are having now is pointless as it was settled 221 years ago on Dec, 15 1791, when the Bill of Rights, which included the Second Amendment, was ratified"

Bull****. There are MANY examples of "arms" that the sale and ownership is restricted to the military and law enforcement. This debate is about adding one more narrow class of arms to that group, NOT about the Second Amendment.

I swear we're getting to a place where so many members of the right are such slobbering conspiracy theorists, that if they saw a fly flying around their house, they'd think it was a new micro drone sent by the Obama administration to spy on them.

No Virginia, the passage of the Affordable Care Act didn't mean tanks were about to roll into the parking lot of your local hospital, and proposals to ban the importation and sale of military style assault weapons isn't an "attack of the Second A

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CMReeder

Mar-12-13 9:27 AM

Sorry but there is a debate going on Mr. Rinker, the 2A is not an absolute right.

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nobud74

Mar-12-13 9:39 AM

Oh, the 2A is part of our rights as listed in the Constitution. That is undeniable. If you want to change that, there is a process for that and it does not include edicts from presidents.

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nobud74

Mar-12-13 9:41 AM

So, what do you folks think about the govt purchasing 1.6 billion rounds of ammo? And what do you think of their purchase of 2700 armored vehicles?

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Josh84

Mar-12-13 10:08 AM

The governments purchase of 1.6B rounds of ammo was little more than buying ammo in bulk for a better rate. Between the many federal agencies that use firearms annually, to re-cert. and train new members, they use tens of millions of rounds annually. This purchase was little more than buying in bulk to save on the price. It also might have to due with the fact that prices were sure to rise(and continue to rise) due to current events.

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enigma

Mar-12-13 10:24 AM

Jerry,"Are fully automatic weapons legal? Do you just need a special permit? I honestly don't know - that's why I asked."

Questions like this are easily answered on the internet, to which you obviously have access. Why would you ask that question here rather than look it up. Do you consider this forum to be a more reliable source of information than other websites? You don't usually seem so accepting of everything said here. Do you see yet why I question your sincerity? It is illegal for most people to own an automatic weapon. To own one requires a special Federal Firearms License. I do not know all of the details of what it takes to get one or the restrictions involved. As I said, if you care to find out I'm sure the information is readily available.

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