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March 16, 2013

Our country’s higher education system is made up of state run universities, community and junior colleges, technical and trade school....

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wwhickok

Mar-18-13 6:00 AM

Furthermore, are there even enough schools left open now to have a choice of more than one grade level school? Teachers keep getting laid off, schools keep getting closed, soon there will be no choice to be made.

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wwhickok

Mar-18-13 5:59 AM

Obviously parents should have the right of choice and obviously that isn't going to happen. There is too much politics over what 'school district' a child lives in, as to what taxes the parents have to pay, among other things.

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spike2

Mar-17-13 2:59 PM

My guess is Erik loves Paul Ryan and has read all Ayn Rands's works. When will you be heading to Atlantis? As to school taxes - for those of us who have paid for our homes, it is a check. I think we should be school tax exempt if we privately educate our children ( any situation where we pay private tuition and do not utilize the school in any manner). I find it inexplicable that an individual can't write a simple sentence. In fairness, an individual who is dyslexic and not taught to compensate, may appear "illiterate" but be skilled in math and other areas. Teachers as with every profession have those who graduated in the bottom 30%. Should we inquire?Some will still be good teachers others not. Should we do the same with Dr.'s and surgeons? Seems every one wants the best but no real ideas on how to accomplish this.

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LaughIn

Mar-17-13 11:23 AM

Mike, who said anything about not liking public unions? I said there are differences! How does the greediness of some public unions take away from education, in money that should be used on the children. Do you really understand the function of education and how budgets work? Are you an educator in Montgomery?

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BornHere

Mar-17-13 10:27 AM

radioactive, I did not approve his resume because he did not have one and he came to my job site to fill out the application.

That's when I found out he could not read or write only his personal information and could not read my application.

I never claimed to be a business savvy veteran, people assume that one can read or write when they tell you they graduated from high school.

I don't feel as though I was "duped", I felt bad for this man because no one cared if he got an education or not.

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BornHere

Mar-16-13 5:12 PM

Thanks for reminding me erik, I haven't had an Escrow Account for many years now, I would just send a check to the school district. I still think more parents need to get involved with their children's education they are our future.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-16-13 4:51 PM

BornHere:

Property taxes are typically part of your mortgage payment, so the average person does not write a separate check for school.

Just like payroll taxes, the impact is not as obvious.

There are families who do put effort into their children's public school education, but it is becoming more and more rare.

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BornHere

Mar-16-13 4:30 PM

Mike I understand what you are saying, but some families who send their children to Public Schools are also paying for their children's education through taxes, one would think that they would be more involved with what their children are taught.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-16-13 4:16 PM

Bornhere, when you send your child to a private school and are paying for it out of your pocket and you see how much it costs you are more inclined to make sure you are getting what you are paying for so you are more involved in that education.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-16-13 4:15 PM

LaughIn, I asked a specific question; one that you didn't answer.

Give me something specific that the unions have done that was detrimental to the learning of the students.

I get that you don't like Public Unions, but how about some facts as to why they are hurting education. Because they are getting pensions and benefits doesn't hurt the students education.

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BornHere

Mar-16-13 3:30 PM

All 3 of my children attended Parochial School in Williamsport. They always came home with homework at least 4 times a week, where their friends who attended Public School maybe 2 times a week.

The teachers and parents seem to be more involved with their children's education who attended Parochial Schools then in Public Schools it was the same way when I went to school.

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LaughIn

Mar-16-13 2:06 PM

Also, the government has changed everything and the teachers must comply. I would think that the strongest union in the country would take on the state and federal governments full force, because they value education and the kids over mandates MORE.

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LaughIn

Mar-16-13 1:55 PM

Mike, administrators are not unionized and are bound by contracts. Second, unions are very necessary in the private sector, public unions are totally different. I agree with David Bross on his post to Francine and I value his opinion. There is something very wrong when the unions hold the local taxpayers hostage for benefits most themselves cannot afford. We will agree to disagree on this subject, but your earlier posts hold merit.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-16-13 1:11 PM

enigma-"I mostly blame the union"

Why the Unions? And you do know that the "unions" are the teachers, with their leaders elected among their ranks?

Can you give any specific examples of the unions changing the way kids are taught resulting in an adverse effect on the kids?

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CaveFelem

Mar-16-13 12:20 PM

I carpool with a woman whose son is in grade school. His teacher gives him a homework packet each week. He's not required to hand in his work.

His mother asked the teacher about this because she couldn't understand why the homework wasn't graded and there weren't deadlines, etc.

The teacher told her in this day and age, it isn't fair to expect the students to turn in homework assignments, because all the students don't have someone to help them, someone at home with them to make sure they do it, parents that work 2nd shift, etc.

Very sad.

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cheyenne

Mar-16-13 12:13 PM

All in the entertainment industry are overrated as far as "idol" status is concerned. When the untimely death of an athlete or Hollywood star gets 100 times the media attention that the death of one of our military personnel does, that is indeed, sad.

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BornHere

Mar-16-13 11:32 AM

You're right Mr. Reeder, I would say that the teachers were ordered to pass him because he was involved with sports. In his Senior year he got hurt and could not play anymore, what a waste of an education.

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LaughIn

Mar-16-13 11:30 AM

I agree with CReeder, that happens in my community. It is said when the role models are athletes who get paid better than most in society.

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CMReeder

Mar-16-13 11:20 AM

Do teachers let that happen Born are are they ordered to let it happen. Pressure from the parents, coaches and supervisors of the school system to let a gifted athlete pass. The money that is poured into athletics and athletes over educating and learning. That is a cultural problem not an education problem. We have communities that thrive around an athletic program as a way out of the poverty that surrounds the community. It does matter when a win in athletics scores higher than A on an exam.

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LaughIn

Mar-16-13 11:19 AM

Ivan, parents always have the option of where their children are educated. Parental involvement and back up support is definately lacking in today's society. To compare collegiate level institutions to K-12 public schools is a no go. The classrooms of today are far from the classrooms of the. past and you can also thank every level of government for that.

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CMReeder

Mar-16-13 11:11 AM

I did not miss most of your post you blame teachers and their union. Very little about the government. You also missed on parents. Drop out rates have more than teachers to fault. Also grades have more than teachers at fault.

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BornHere

Mar-16-13 11:09 AM

I'm going to agree with CaveFelem. Back in 2009 I was going to hire a gentleman to work for me that graduated from a local High School that could not read or write.

I asked him how he was able to graduate and his response was "I played Football and was on the Wrestling Team so they just passed me". Needless to say I could not hire him, what a shame that couches and teachers and his parents would let this happen.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-16-13 10:53 AM

Just thinking out loud.. but I wonder how many people that post here, pro or con, have actually been inside a classroom in the past year.. or two. Or 5, 10.. pity my current work schedule doesn't allow the opportunity to volunteer, it was something I only did sparingly but thoroughly enjoyed..

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enigma

Mar-16-13 10:12 AM

No Chuck, I am not just blaming the teachers. Did you miss most of my post? I mostly blame the union and the government for interferring. When a school system has an 80% dropout rate, you can blame the community, but when 80% of graduates cannot read, you have to blame the schools. Is it too much to ask that children who can't read, don't graduate? Isn't that a minimum standard that we can all agree on? We need the legislature to stop trying to control schools and to start protecting them from stupid parent lawsuits, so the schools can get back to teaching. They also need to spend less (no) time on politically correct ciriculum and more time on classical education.

Sorry about 'aloud', I guess I should have my coffee before I comment.

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CMReeder

Mar-16-13 10:03 AM

When you stop protecting teachers you stop protecting children.

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