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Historical fiction

March 20, 2013

There have been several letters written on the subject of history the latest being about democracy as written by Alexander Tyler....

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MBardo

Mar-20-13 12:25 AM

"We cannot sustain a system that bleeds billions of taxpayer dollars on programs that have outlived their usefulness, or exist solely because of the power of a politicians, lobbyists, or interest groups. We simply cannot afford it. This isn’t about big government or small government. It’s about building a smarter government that focuses on what works. That is why I will ask my new team to think anew and act anew to meet our new challenges.... We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." Here is a quote for you Chuck. Who said it?

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USABorn

Mar-20-13 2:30 AM

More Reeder blather!

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mikekerstetter

Mar-20-13 4:00 AM

MBardo, that would be the same person who said this:

"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents — #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic."

The same person under whose watch of 4 years the debt has soared to almost 17 trillion.

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MBardo

Mar-20-13 4:26 AM

mikekerstetter, you are correct. It seems President Obama had a golden opportunity to start the process a few weeks ago when he was given the opportunity to trim what he wanted to cover the sequester.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-20-13 5:26 AM

Liberals only talk about the deficit problem when they are not in office. Once they get there, we are told it is no longer an issue.

Liberal hypocrisy on display!

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VinceKnauff

Mar-20-13 6:10 AM

How come Chuck doesn't come with facts like he did here every time he is challenged? This is the first time in my menory that Chuck has been right about anything. The letter he debunked took it's source from (apparently) a chain letter that popped up after the 2000 election.

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idiottwo

Mar-20-13 6:17 AM

your last paragraph rings true, I hope you would look for the truth and facts regardless of what side of the isle your are lead. I wonder if you could.

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eric88

Mar-20-13 6:18 AM

Pot, meet kettle! Chucks letters always give a good laugh!

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DavidBross

Mar-20-13 6:34 AM

Chuck makes a good point. It is tempting to overstate a position, in order to make it seem more substantial. The quote attributed to Tyler is a good one, regardless of who came up with it. It's ok to use it and say that you don't know its origin. Regarding Hitler and Stalin, there again it is so tempting to associate an idea, point of view etc. with them in order to discredit the idea. Such associations should be made very sparingly.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-20-13 6:56 AM

Hi erik.. republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling 8 times under gw.. no questions, no problem, no preconditions.

Republican hypocrisy on display.

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Tedeaux

Mar-20-13 7:01 AM

I agree with Chuck that the origin of the original passage has been erroniously stated in order to bolster the message that was being imparted, but I believe the message stands alone in reality. American has reached a point in our social evolution where there or more people willing to vote for politicians that promise to give them something for free than voters that are willing

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Tedeaux

Mar-20-13 7:08 AM

Cont: to accept that the Government is not here to take care of all of us from cradle to the grave. We have reached the tipping point with our public debt where our children will be slaves to the debt service unless drastic measures are taken now. Barack Obama does not seem like the man for the job in order to get our house together.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-20-13 8:01 AM

Buff:

That is why the Tea Party is throwing out Republicans who support big gov't.

We have principles.

Your side does not.

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MrShaman

Mar-20-13 8:10 AM

"American has reached a point in our social evolution where there or more people willing to vote for politicians that promise to give them something for free than voters that are willing." - Tedeaux

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...And, more politicians voting preferential-treatment for people who (actually) PROVIDE them more "campaign-funding"...than voters that are willing.

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MrShaman

Mar-20-13 8:16 AM

"Regarding Hitler and Stalin, there again it is so tempting to associate an idea, point of view etc. with them in order to discredit the idea. Such associations should be made very sparingly." - DavidBross

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You're talking-about eliminating 75% (the daily requirement) of talking-points, for FAUX Noise & Porky Limbaugh.

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CHayes

Mar-20-13 8:21 AM

"That is why the Tea Party is throwing out Republicans who support big gov't.

We have principles."

Indeed you do, as this news story shows:

"A tea party leader in Texas is defending his promotion of the American Fascist Party as something he thought was “pro-Constitution, pro-America.”

James Ives, who was listed as the president of the Greater Fort Bend County Tea Party in 2011, confirmed to The Texas Tribune on Monday that he had made a promotional video for the American Fascist Party and advocated tea party principles on a Fascist Party message board...."

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MBardo

Mar-20-13 8:32 AM

Wow, CHayes found someone in the Tea Party with a terrible history. I'm sure you will let us know about all of them as they appear in the news. Simple question, do you look into the President's appointees the same way?

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philunderwood

Mar-20-13 8:35 AM

This from the poster boy for the side that disregards any attempt at getting at the truth in favor of disingenuous persuasion and favors a far out “quote” from the fringe they attempt to associate with their opposition; yep silly people on display.

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spike2

Mar-20-13 8:40 AM

Exactly how much of the debt since Obama took office is interest? does anyone even know the interest rate by the various "lenders"? how much is attributable to an unfunded war? how much is "new" debt? Anyone have actual numbers? I don't but would love to see this.

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enigma

Mar-20-13 8:53 AM

Strange that Chuck should so strenuously object to the use of internet fallacies, seeing how his entire world-view is based on them. He is still clinging to the idea that Hitler did not disarm his people, even in the face of historical data. I agree that people should not use lies to further an agenda, but this is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

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SteelerFan

Mar-20-13 8:56 AM

Chuck: "The problem is now that someone has given fictitious attributions to lend credence to a message they are trying to impart. By doing so you are favoring persuasiveness over that of accuracy and sacrificing the truth for the sake of image."

Sounds like the credo of the Democratic Party.

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enigma

Mar-20-13 8:56 AM

Spike, I don't have those numbers, but here's on for you. 40 cents of every dollar spent by the federal government is borrowed. How long would you last if you tried to live like that? I'm not going to blame any one person or party, but anyone who says we don't need to cut spending is too stupid to be in government.

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SteelerFan

Mar-20-13 8:57 AM

Hazy is the master of deflecting criticism.

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SteelerFan

Mar-20-13 9:02 AM

I saw on TV the other day someone asking a Democrat about the debt and he said to paraphrase: 'When you get out of bed each morning, how does the national debt affect you?'.

We pay an enormous amount of money on interest each year on the debt that could be well-spent on many other beneficial programs, this is how it affects us.

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CHayes

Mar-20-13 9:06 AM

"Wow, CHayes found someone in the Tea Party with a terrible history"

No, I didn't "find" anything. I read a news story yesterday, not about a member of some tea bagger group, but the LEADER of a tea bagger group, that became relevant to the conversation because of something someone else said.

I would also say that I didn't find the story particularly surprising. I think tea party ideology dovetails very nicely with that of the American Fascist Movement. If you don't believe me, go to their website and read their platform. I have, and it has MANY parallels to the same tired drivel you'd find on a tea bagger website. Pro-business, anti-democracy, etc., etc.

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