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March 30, 2013

To Rep. Rick Mirabito, D-Williamsport, and Mike Hanna, D-Lock Haven, on the state sale of alcoholic beverages: Just got back from Massachusetts on a family visit....

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bryan48

Apr-01-13 9:01 PM

We will lose a lot of our smaller stores because they will not be able to afford the licences. You will see a few own the majority of liquor stores throughout the state and a rise in teens being able to walk in and buy underage from cashiers who fo not care.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-31-13 6:50 AM

What is the purpose of state liquor stores?

To make money?

--or--

To control access to liquor?

I suspect our state stores were created to control access and turned into a money-maker.

That means the revenue argument is void.

If we worry about control, how do minors get alcohol in Pennsylvania now? Are you going to tell me it does not happen?

Can someone cite a statistic that shows PA minors drink less than their counterparts in states without gov't stores?

Lastly, the final price is determined by the seller, but includes taxes.

In some states, there are extra taxes on alcohol (hidden) that drive the price up.

I have seen prices higher and lower than those in our State Stores.

But that is irrelevant.

The state does not belong in the liquor business and does no better job controlling access to liquor than any other state.

Privatize it!

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cheyenne

Mar-30-13 1:00 PM

"how about we follow Colorado's lead and end marijuana prohibition." - JerryfromRI.

Sounds good to me Jerry. Might even create some jobs at Frito-Lay!

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CaymanJim

Mar-30-13 12:35 PM

Eliminate the state-controlled liquor stores and we also eliminate those state employees with paid holidays, paid vacations, paid health care and pensions. That should save PA citizens a few $$$$.

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CarlHiller

Mar-30-13 9:11 AM

The essence of the free-market itself is in giving consumers a choice, they have the choice to purchase from the state at inflated prices, or not to purchase, or purchase from a state that already supplies the low wage workers.

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CarlHiller

Mar-30-13 9:11 AM

I could care less if the state sells the stores or keeps the stores because I don't drink. Although, the governor and those pushing (Chambers of Commerce) for privatization have not presented a solid plan to move the stores into the private sector while maintaining the same level of revenue for the state. One of the biggest issues should be that the liquor stores have always run a surplus. Once privatization occurs that will not be the case. The state is going to lose a source of revenue not only from the profits of sold liquor, but also the loss of revenue accompanying the loss of decent paying jobs, roughly 4500, and at most create 2000 lower paying jobs paying less in taxes. Nothing I have looked at on this matter supports the notion that this will not cost PA taxpayers in the end, either through increased taxes, or new taxes. The state cannot see the forest thru the trees, they are only looking at a one-time cash windfall in the form of private licensing fees.

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jeff33

Mar-30-13 9:04 AM

There seems to be alot of alcoholics in Lycoming County, the Williamsport and South Williamsport Area. There seems to be a bar or club everywhere you go look at South Side all the drinking places for a town that small if it was not for the bars and clubs they would not need a police department.

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gavinf56

Mar-30-13 9:01 AM

"The state would still control the sale of it. They would tax it." - CMReeder

You do understand the difference between "controlling the sale of it" and actually being the sole seller of a product, don't you Chuck?

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CMReeder

Mar-30-13 8:55 AM

PA does not have the highest prices for alcohol, some are high some are low. It depends on what sells and what doesn't. Did you ever think that wine is not a big seller in Mass.

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CMReeder

Mar-30-13 8:52 AM

"Hey, speaking of how of other states are doing things, how about we follow Colorado's lead and end marijuana prohibition."

The state would still control the sale of it. They would tax it.

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CarlHiller

Mar-30-13 8:43 AM

Francine - There is a correlation if the sale of the state liquor stores does not bring in the desired income to the state and they then institute a tax increase or a new tax.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-30-13 8:34 AM

Hey, speaking of how of other states are doing things, how about we follow Colorado's lead and end marijuana prohibition.

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MrShaman

Mar-30-13 8:33 AM

"Did you know that Mass. has one of the highest alcohol binge rates in the country." - CMReeder

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...While Alaska has the MOST problems with alcoholism.

So....????

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MrShaman

Mar-30-13 8:30 AM

"I just assumed it had something to do with the religious “blue laws” that were in enacted in the past." - philunderwood

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That's always been my assumption.

Yeah, I'd experienced those CA supermarkets, in the early-'80s. The convenience of buying anything-and-everything was all too obvious.

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rick424

Mar-30-13 8:25 AM

Drink water, it is cheaper.

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MrShaman

Mar-30-13 8:24 AM

"I belong to an internet group and interact with people all over the US and Canada. When this topic comes up, they all get a big laugh over PA liquor laws." - CaveFelem

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I'd experienced the same, while living near the Rockies (back in the mid-'70s), when I "showed-off" my PLCB Card!

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CMReeder

Mar-30-13 8:20 AM

Did you know that Mass. has one of the highest alcohol binge rates in the country. All I am getting from the those against the state stores is that they want a cheaper drunk. The cheaper the drink the higher the abuse rate.

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gavinf56

Mar-30-13 8:19 AM

I think you will find they are part of the old "blue laws" Phil.

Interesting in that the sides have pretty much changed from when Wegman's wanted to sell beer.

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MrShaman

Mar-30-13 8:19 AM

Massachusetts is also one o' the (few) States that has a $.05 deposit, on aluminum-cans; encouraging more-consistent recycling.

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philunderwood

Mar-30-13 8:06 AM

What we should be asking is why PA has a monopoly on liquor sales in the first place. I moved here from CA, where liquor was sold on the private market like any other legal product. You could even buy it at supermarkets. I’ve always wondered why that isn’t the case here. I just assumed it had something to do with the religious “blue laws” that were in enacted in the past.

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CaveFelem

Mar-30-13 7:27 AM

I belong to an internet group and interact with people all over the US and Canada. When this topic comes up, they all get a big laugh over PA liquor laws.

One of the guys brought up a recipe for a drink that contained a particular brand of vodka. He paid $10.99 for 750 ml at his neighborhood store. I was curious so I looked up the price online. PA price is $18.49 plus tax.

This is why people buy alcohol out of state and bring it home if they have the opportunity.

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CMReeder

Mar-30-13 7:22 AM

State stores are for the control sale of liquor and spirits.

By the way privatizing the liquor stores does not lower the price of liquor. In the case of the state Washington it rose.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-30-13 7:12 AM

spike:

If the purpose of state liquor stores is to generate revenue for the state, then why not have state coffee stores, state cigarette stores, state milk stores?

But, that is the end game for liberalism anyways, isn't it?

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spike2

Mar-30-13 6:42 AM

Would you rather have your car taxed every year? You pay a luxury tax each year on your vehicle in Massachusetts.

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