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Unkind words

March 31, 2013

Lately we have witnessed unkind words directed against the gay communit....

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wwhickok

Apr-03-13 6:37 AM

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we all know what will happen. DOMA will be justly abolished and marriage will be redefined. It'll still be the right of individual churches to deny performing ceremonies within their walls, as it should be, but as a country, marriage will have been redefined and the rights of heterosexual couples will be afforded to homosexual couples as it should have always been.

Thats what I believe.

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wwhickok

Apr-03-13 6:34 AM

"You're wrong. We aren't forcing same sex couples to do anything. Can you cite a law currently on the books that force a same sex couple to do something? The only thing you can come up with is Marriage, which has been defined as a man and a woman since before this country was even imagined. In reality you are asking us to redefine marriage to suit same sex couples and then tell us we're wrong when we resist. And as I've said many times,if same sex couples want the same advantages enjoyed by married couples, I don't have a problem giving it to them. Just don't call it marriage."

I'm not the one who is wrong here. Times have changed and so has the culture of the country you live in. DOMA denies rights of same sex couples that are afforded to other citizens. It's not right. Christianity defines marriage, Christianity is not the only culture in this country and hasn't been for a very long time. Definitions of legal rights should not be based on religion. In the end

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wwhickok

Apr-03-13 6:31 AM

"Sorry, that there just made me spit coffee all over my computer screen. You can offer no proof that there is no God but you believe there is none. But then you tell me you are different than me because you only believe things you can prove. That's funny right there."

I don't recall saying I don't think God Exists. I do recall stating I don't believe in God. You're free to believe what you want, if you believe God exists, in your mind he does, that's fair. My belief against Christianity is simply that I have yet to see anything that gives me a sightful belief that anything written in the bible has truth to it.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-02-13 2:34 PM

wwhickok-"As a Religious Group, Christians and more specifically Christians in Government are forcing same sex couples to abide to their ‘lifestyle codes’ by creating laws that attempt to force them to do so."

You're wrong. We aren't forcing same sex couples to do anything. Can you cite a law currently on the books that force a same sex couple to do something? The only thing you can come up with is Marriage, which has been defined as a man and a woman since before this country was even imagined. In reality you are asking us to redefine marriage to suit same sex couples and then tell us we're wrong when we resist. And as I've said many times,if same sex couples want the same advantages enjoyed by married couples, I don't have a problem giving it to them. Just don't call it marriage.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-02-13 2:23 PM

wwhickok-"I have the same proof you do, none. We’re a different breed you and I, I believe in the things I can prove"

Sorry, that there just made me spit coffee all over my computer screen. You can offer no proof that there is no God but you believe there is none. But then you tell me you are different than me because you only believe things you can prove. That's funny right there.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 11:52 AM

For the record mike and others, I do agree with your viewpoints on many topics, this just isn't one of them.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 11:45 AM

USABorn, I call it like I see it. If you must know, not that it's any of your business, I don't feed my son anything on the subject. When he's old enough to understand, I'll gladly introduce the idea of Religion to him, if he chooses to have that as part of his life, I'll support that. I have my reasons for thinking of it as b.s. I'm not suggesting other people should, if you're human you should think for yourself. Don't expect me to give you all the answers, that's not my job.

As far as my reasoning, this isn't the place for that.

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USABorn

Apr-02-13 10:20 AM

wwhickok - Maybe we should refer to your propaganda as just so much b.s. It's a shame that's the only way you can refer to religion. Doesn't say much for the b.s. you must be feeding your kids on the subject.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:27 AM

Mike, You and I, You and the rest of of the narrow minded, faith-blind Christians on these boards will NEVER agree on this topic, that I promise you. You're wasting your time spouting of your religious b.s.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:26 AM

I also find it funny that you say Mike, that “it’s easier for you non-believers to cherry pick verses”

Allow me to stop you right there. I was born a believer, I remained a faithful Methodist Christian until I was in High School and began to wake up to how much hate, discrimination, and judgment there is in ‘our’ religion. I abandoned my beliefs for a life of peace and happiness and acceptance of free choice.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:25 AM

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I also find it funny that so many people are so quick to hit the ‘disagree’ button because it’s like “oh no he did not just disagree with our Christian Ways! Click!” Give me a break people, it’s like herding cattle.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:25 AM

“But that doesn't mean that you are right and we are wrong in our beliefs.”

I don’t believe you’re “wrong” in your beliefs, you can believe whatever you want to, I could honestly care less. However, I do think it’s wrong to ‘enforce’ those beliefs by way of law. Furthermore, don’t try to preach to me. I’ve heard all the same b.s. before. I grew up in a family full of ministers. I’ve lived long enough to know that there are as many pedophile’s within the Christian religion as there are out. I have lived long enough to know how judging and narrow minded many Christians are. I’m not saying there isn’t truly good people within the Christian Societies, I’m sure there are. But there are as many who create a hypocritical view of that religion.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:24 AM

“and that religion has been a driving force behind morality for most of the world?”

No, I do not think Christianity is the driving force behind morality for most of the world, in fact, I think the exact opposite. There is no other group in society more judging and condemning than that of Christians. I believe morality is something you’re taught through good parenting.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:24 AM

“So, you are blatantly denying that a lot of today's laws are based off the 10 commandments”

Never denied that, I actually supported it in one of my comments, however, I also believe that Laws can be independent of the 10 commandments or religion, regardless of original basis, we don’t NEED the bible to tell us right from wrong.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:23 AM

“What way am I forcing a same sex couple to live?” You, as a single entity, are not forcing anyone to do anything. As a Religious Group, Christians and more specifically Christians in Government are forcing same sex couples to abide to their ‘lifestyle codes’ by creating laws that attempt to force them to do so.

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wwhickok

Apr-02-13 6:23 AM

“Well, IF it were a cult, Judaism and Islam would have it beat since they were around first. So you'd be wrong on that account also.” That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. “What proof do you have that there is no God and that Jesus Christ was not God's son sent here to atone for our sins? It appears that you also have faith that it there isn't a God and that when you die that's all there is.” I have the same proof you do, none. We’re a different breed you and I, I believe in the things I can prove, you believe in fairy tales. And you’re right, I do believe that when we die, there is nothing, just blackness

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WKnapp

Apr-01-13 11:08 PM

A solution to the ***** marriage question: If you're married in church, one man, one woman, it's called a marriage. Regardless of the genders of those involved, you get 'married' by a government entity, it's a civil union, with all the rights and protections of marriage except being CALLED marriage. Remember the poem that includes the line "A rose by any other name smells as sweet"? It applies here.

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bryan48

Apr-01-13 8:51 PM

So when will America stop arguing over nonsense and try fixing real problems before worrying about 'moral' issues?

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Bufftrev1

Apr-01-13 5:49 PM

Hi mike.. no problem, it wasn't really a question. I can read quite well and, as mentioned, the language in the ot is patently clear. But, I cannot refrain from asking... were the numerous passages calling for death for relatively benign offenses ceremonial laws or moral ones? I hope not the latter but no matter.. have a nice evening Mike..

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mikekerstetter

Apr-01-13 5:21 PM

Like I said Buff, you are not interested in the answer to the question and are only asking because you think it makes your case. It doesn't because you are ignorant of the rest of the Bible and how it relates. So I'll just leave it at that and ignore the question knowing that no answer, no matter how correct, will ever satisfy you.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-01-13 5:03 PM

Hi mike.. sorry, I don't see it that way.. the passages that call for the penalties I cited are written in black and white, nothing ambiguous about them by any definition. You called people on this sites hypocrits, I think including my self. You accuse wmhickok of picking and choosing and you are doing the exact same thing. By your own definition, I think you know exactly what that makes you. Have a nice evening, just turned on Chris Matthews..

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mikekerstetter

Apr-01-13 4:57 PM

Buff, that question has been asked by you several times and has been answered both by myself and ToTex.

The short answer is that there are ceremonial laws, and moral laws. Christ fulfilled the Ceremonial laws.

As far as the Sabbath, Jesus said that daily chores could be done on the Sabbath (Luke 13:15). Even hard labor could be done in an emergency (Luke 14:5). He told a healed man to carry his sleeping mat, even though there was no hurry (John 5:8). He even used the word "work" to describe his activity (v. 17). Many Christians follow this example. They remember that Jesus consistently criticized the Sabbath rules of the Pharisees, and that he treated it as a ritual law.

Like I've said on these pages many times over, it's easy for non-believers such as yourself to cherry pick verses from the O/T and say Christians don't follow the Bible's mandates. But if you truly know the Bible and how the N/T relates to the O/T, you would know how foolish your argument is.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-01-13 4:00 PM

Hi mike.. question, regarding your post from 9:23 am, you asked why an individual is picking and choosing which biblical laws are OK.. but, is that not what most, if not all, practicing Christians do? The old testament clearly calls for death for a host of offenses like working on Sunday, eating shellfish, adultery, for kids mouthing off to parents.. I can provide the specific quotes for you if you'd like but assuming you don't think I should die for cutting firewood yesterday, are you not picking and choosing the biblical narrative that suits your liking?

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pinecr

Apr-01-13 1:52 PM

This country is going to*****real fast because there are too many bleeding hearts living here. Instead of saying something is wrong and disgusting, you jump on the band wagon and say let them do what they want to do. TV is showing gays like it is a normal way to live, states are allowing gay marriages...like I said, this country is going to hell.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-01-13 1:35 PM

wwhickok-"The biggest problem with some sectors of society is that they lean too heavily on religious beliefs, to them, EVERYTHING must relate back to those beliefs. That's just not the case, that's not the world you live in anymore. It's time to wake up."

Well, yeah, everything a Christian does should relate back to their faith and following of Jesus Christ. And yes, you're correct that there are far less Christians practicing their faith as there were at other times during our countries existence.

But that doesn't mean that you are right and we are wrong in our beliefs. Have you stopped to consider that it is you who should wake up and realize your salvation relies upon your seeking a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

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