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Closed-door meeting set on Rock Run natural gas drilling

April 2, 2013

A meeting being held Thursday by the state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources about natural gas drilling in Loyalsock State Forest is being kept closed to the general public and media....

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streetmachine

Jan-29-14 6:29 PM

it is against the law no one is above the law ask mayor campana the sunshine act is a law they cannot have a closed door meeting

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BornHere

Apr-03-13 4:05 PM

Loyaltothesock, would you please keep us informed on what you find out, thank you.

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Loyaltothesock

Apr-03-13 2:48 PM

dbratz, DCNR has exclusive surface rights to over 18k of the 25k acres in Clarence Moore tract, by court decision in 1989 and upheld . Anadarko & IDC have the gas rights BUT need an agreement to develop the 18k+ acres.Throw in the problem of Fed.money, possibly $24million,that may need to be repaid on 6k acres in another part of CM and other issues and you see DCNR's problem. A potential trade was discussed in 2010 & 2011.If the administration & legislature hadn't stolen $400million from DCNR gas & oil fund they could have bought the rights.A solution needs to be found or it could end up in court again because Anadarko believes the Belden & Blake v. DCNR decision gives them the right to access the 18k acres. Complicated! Hope I get some answers at tomorrows meeting.

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WendyLynneLee

Apr-03-13 9:29 AM

Among the just frankly stunning concessions eriklatranyi is obviously willing to make for the sake of his/her shilling for the gas is that the meeting is in flagrant violation of the state's sunshine laws. Where there is a quorum of state representatives--more than 3--the law requires that the meeting be made open to the public. What eriklatranyi's support for the closed door meeting shows is that he/she cares not one whit for upholding state laws--even though he/she insists that it's the law the industry respects. He/She is in fact PROOF that the industry cares NOTHING for the law. What rank hypocrisy! Surprising? Hardly. Disgusting? YES.

Wendy Lynne Lee

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jeff33

Apr-03-13 9:01 AM

The Sock is going to look like Pine Creek,just wait and see then this area will only be know as LITTLE PHILLy! Not what it use to be known as one of the most beautiful parts of the state or for a matter of fact the country!

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CitizenSane

Apr-03-13 2:16 AM

First of all, there is no amount of money that can repair the damage, or restore our state lands. Second, since PA is a COMMONWEALTH, every PA resident is a legal stakeholder in our state lands. We deserve open public hearings and the opportunity to voice our opinions and concerns, as well as ask questions and actually get answers. Sen. Gene Yaw and State Rep Garth Everett are violating the public trust and our constitutional right to be part of any/all discussions on the development of state land. Their attempt to circumvent our rights by holding closed door meetings is unconscionable. They need to be reminded that their job is to represent the people who pay their salary with our tax dollars and NOT the gas companies who 'fund' their election campaigns.

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BornHere

Apr-03-13 1:05 AM

DCNR has been in negotiations with Anadarko since last March.

The negotiations include setting a price of $22 million to compensate for the damage that will be done to the forest by Anadarko, which includes Rock Run.

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Carmcchu

Apr-02-13 10:37 PM

I have no idea why that posted three times.

With more then half our state forest leased not to mention all the private acreage that is leased. Why can't we preserve Rock Run what is going to left?? Why do they have to be so greedy? Loyalsock State Forest is worth more to our community than the gas beneath it. Why can't Anadarko respect that and move on? If it's drilled it will NEVER be the same. All of this destruction for money! Somethings are worth more than lining the pockets of Anadarko's shale holders.

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biobabycj

Apr-02-13 10:36 PM

TOLD YOU... ITS ALL ABOUT WHO HAS THE MONEY!!! this article PROVES they dont care what our citizens' opinion is. the people that have money were the only ones allowed in that CLOSED DOOR meeting. and just why did it need to be closed door?? so YOU dont have any say in what happens to prevent the greedy rich to get MORE money

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Carmcchu

Apr-02-13 9:56 PM

eriklatranyi, What's going to happen to all those manufacututing jobs when LNG is exported out of the country? Exporting will drive up the price & increase the amount of drilling depleting our supplies.Why keep the gas in the US and grow our economy when China will pay $18 per mcf. A market opportunity exists, but is it in the best interests of the US?We will be a resource colony for China growing their economy, not ours. I can't believe you're comparing KFC chicken recipe to frac fluid.KFC isn't drilling through aquifers or conduction highly toxic industrial activity near peoples homes, schools, playgrounds etc. Only about a dozen states have such laws and even with these laws in place there are aspect of the law that allows hydraulic fracturing contractors to claim certain elements of their fluids as proprietary & don't have to disclouse them. PA does not have the toughest regulations Colorado does.

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Carmcchu

Apr-02-13 9:55 PM

eriklatranyi, What's going to happen to all those manufacututing jobs when LNG is exported out of the country? Exporting will drive up the price & increase the amount of drilling depleting our supplies.Why keep the gas in the US and grow our economy when China will pay $18 per mcf. A market opportunity exists, but is it in the best interests of the US?We will be a resource colony for China growing their economy, not ours. I can't believe you're comparing KFC chicken recipe to frac fluid.KFC isn't drilling through aquifers or conduction highly toxic industrial activity near peoples homes, schools, playgrounds etc. Only about a dozen states have such laws and even with these laws in place there are aspect of the law that allows hydraulic fracturing contractors to claim certain elements of their fluids as proprietary & don't have to disclouse them. PA does not have the toughest regulations Colorado does.

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Carmcchu

Apr-02-13 9:55 PM

eriklatranyi, What's going to happen to all those manufacututing jobs when LNG is exported out of the country? Exporting will drive up the price & increase the amount of drilling depleting our supplies.Why keep the gas in the US and grow our economy when China will pay $18 per mcf. A market opportunity exists, but is it in the best interests of the US?We will be a resource colony for China growing their economy, not ours. I can't believe you're comparing KFC chicken recipe to frac fluid.KFC isn't drilling through aquifers or conduction highly toxic industrial activity near peoples homes, schools, playgrounds etc. Only about a dozen states have such laws and even with these laws in place there are aspect of the law that allows hydraulic fracturing contractors to claim certain elements of their fluids as proprietary & don't have to disclouse them. PA does not have the toughest regulations Colorado does.

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Loyaltothesock

Apr-02-13 5:29 PM

I am invited to the meeting and I WILL be there. I have GPSed the wellpad sites myself. Got maps of the entire development.I know the complex legal issues. The need for an OPEN PUBLIC meeting is priority! Sen, Andy Dinniman requested public meeting from Sec. Allen. He has kept PUBLIC in the dark. Let's hear what he says. What's DCNR's next move!

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eriklatranyi

Apr-02-13 4:18 PM

Carl:

The industry complies with all regulations. Those that do not are fined heavily.

The industry takes it seriously.

Pennsylvania has the strongest regulations on drilling in the country.....something that is overlooked by those who claim the industry can get away with anything it wants.

I grow weary of the hyperbole by those who do not understand an industry that is wide open for anyone to learn about.

There is nothing hidden from the public.

Even the formula for fracturing fluid is filed with the DEP.

Cosmetic companies do not reveal their formulas to the public and Kentucky Fried Chicken keeps its recipe secret.

There is nothing nefarious going on except in the minds of those who refuse to get educated.

This industry is bringing manufacturing jobs back to the United States. The Shell plant is just one of many coming. There are fertilizer plants, liquefaction plants, glass plants, plastic plants, power plants, etc. all in the planning stage.

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TheMoe

Apr-02-13 9:33 AM

This could be the birthplace of Jesus, and still the company would be allowed to frack there. Money talks.

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jeff33

Apr-02-13 8:34 AM

Closed-door meeting? DRILLING!

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nosferatu

Apr-02-13 7:21 AM

Anyone find it funny/ironic that the public isn't considered a "stakeholder"?

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CarlHiller

Apr-02-13 6:37 AM

eriklatranyi - I hope that whom you choose to call "idiots" include both sides because the truth lies somewhere around the middle. Both sides on gas fracking need to come to grips with the fact that neither side knows, or is telling the full truth. I fully support drilling for gas, in concert with requiring the natural gas industry, to adhere to adequate and enforceable measures to protect our rivers, streams, and groundwater. I also believe particularly sensitive places, such as Rock Run, should remain off limits to energy development to preserve the highest quality waters.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-02-13 5:58 AM

They are trying to find common ground between all parties.

That is easier to do if you don't have idiots trying to hijack the meeting with conspiracy theories and misinformation.

No final decisions are being made.

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CarlHiller

Apr-02-13 5:45 AM

Francine, You are absolutely correct. The closed door meetings always mean the citizen/taxpayer input means nothing.

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