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It’s called freedom

April 6, 2013

I’m glad we are able to disagree with one another in our letters. I’m glad we can live the kind of life we choose and consume foods and drinks that may not be good for our health....

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Bufftrev1

Apr-07-13 8:26 AM

Hi usa.. I've gotten compliments from three different people on this forum for both the intellectual content and the polite manner in which I post. I've never seen one directed toward yourself, but I'll ask, how many have you received?

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eriklatranyi

Apr-07-13 7:02 AM

Many liberals do not think a landowner should own their water, oil or mineral rights.

Some liberals think those resources belong to "all the people" and should not be a source of prosperity for an individual or family.

But when liberals say those resources belong to "all the people" they really mean it should belong to the gov't.

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Ritty77

Apr-06-13 9:28 PM

Want fresh water? Desalination. About $2 billion per plant, then high energy costs to operate. Expensive, but so is lack of water.

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USABorn

Apr-06-13 9:07 PM

Bufftrev1 - 10:06 AM Wow.. thanks,

"Erik, for the laughs.. what a ridiculous post."

That's the way most of us feel about ALL your posts!

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nobud74

Apr-06-13 9:04 PM

I recently watched a really good show about water on our planet, think it was on the Doc channel. Anyhow, China is in the midst of an appx 15 year project to channel water from areas that are overrun every year to areas that are drying up. It is a massive project, but what will that do to the areas of the oceans where those rivers empty and there is no longer that massive influx of fresh water? Won't that also cause problems there? I think part of the problem is that we build in areas like Phoenix that are incapable of sustaining large populations without diverting resources such as water from traditional areas. And, yes, I agree that there is not a lessening of the amount of water, but rather it is not where we need it due to our choices.

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Premier

Apr-06-13 8:30 PM

Buff: "Erik.. try visiting Phoenix and see if there is an infinite amount of fresh water equally distributed for everyone to use"

So....my 1.6 GPF John J. Crapper here in PA is making sure little Susie has a glass of nice clear drinking water in Phoenix? I did not know this. Thanks Buff :}

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philunderwood

Apr-06-13 6:50 PM

Whether it’s called affect or harm, if government prohibits it it’s force.

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msgjsheets

Apr-06-13 6:14 PM

One of the problems with giving government this much power is allowing the government to determine what is "affect" and what is "harm". There is a difference. Unfortunately, there is a growing number of our population who feel that any affect from others constitutes harm.

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DavidBross

Apr-06-13 3:37 PM

Another variable that has an impact on how much freedom we have is population density. I think about the things my friends and I did as kids in the country. They were not malicious things, but they couldn't have been done in a town or city setting. Another example might be burning trash. In the country it isn't the problem it is in towns and suburbs. Another example, perhaps, comes from riding the train to Newark from central Jersey. When we got close to Newark, we switched from a diesel electric to a totally electric locomotive.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-06-13 3:01 PM

Erik.. try visiting Phoenix and see if there is an infinite amount of fresh water equally distributed for everyone to use. As far as your 'regulators' comment, I can't think of any that are self appointed.. and I think that one solution regarding most issues, especially civil rights including gay marriage, is exactly the right solution. Perhaps you haven't learned that water is a treasure more precious than gold..

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eriklatranyi

Apr-06-13 2:23 PM

Buff:

There is not a finite amount of fresh water with every drop used reducing that total.

Fresh water is constantly being generated and regenerated by the environment.

The far bigger problem comes from self-appointed regulators who think one solution fits a nation of 300 million.

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philunderwood

Apr-06-13 1:26 PM

David touched upon a very good point when he questioned my use of the word “harm.” With our present government involvement into our health care system, one person’s unhealthy lifestyle choices DOES have an effect on the rest of us who are paying the bills, so it does constitute “harm.” No doubt this will be used as a door opener for all sorts of restrictions in how we choose to live.

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philunderwood

Apr-06-13 1:15 PM

I don’t go anywhere in a car without wearing a seat belt, but I don’t need the force of government to cause me to make that a practice. Businesses must monitor their financial transactions and deal with one another and their customers honestly and ethically if they’re going to be successful; they don’t need countless regulations backed by the force of government to add to the confusion and cost of doing business.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-06-13 12:47 PM

Hi Erik.. you may have made the mistake of posting without thinking just now. Again, I have to disagree.. I just last year finished remodeling my home. I own two new model, efficient toilets and have never once had to flush twice. Nor have I had to flush twice at my parents, nor my friends.. innovation and creativity HAVE solved the problem, in this case. And, where is exactly is this limitless supply of cost efficient drinking water you claim exists? Scarcely 3% of earth's water is fresh water, most of it locked in ice sheets that are rapidly melting due to global warming. See today's news story from Peru before you disagree. And, lastly, I will restrict myself and leave everyone alone the moment you do the same..

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eriklatranyi

Apr-06-13 11:55 AM

Snov001:

Welcome to the discussion!

You will find it to be entertaining at times, but also frustrating at times.

Always take a breath before hitting the "Post Comment" button.

We have all made the mistake of not thinking before posting in the past.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-06-13 11:54 AM

Buff:

You may see energy efficient tanks on toilets as a good thing, I KNOW they are a waste as it forces many to people to flush two or three times, thereby consuming more water.

Once again, you agree with a top-down, authoritarian policy that is one-size-fits-all rather than allowing innovation and creativity to solve the problem.

PS: I disagree on your belief that potable water is finite. Again, your OPINION should not constitute a restriction on me.

Restrict yourself and leave everyone else alone.

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Snov001

Apr-06-13 11:28 AM

Just started reading responses to Letters to the Editor a few weeks ago and I have to say, I really enjoy the comments from both sides. Phil's letter nailed it. Being able to agree do disagree is a great freedom. I have noticed, in most cases, even though you may not agree with a post, there is still level of respect maintained for each other's view. I sincerely wish our electorate could do the same. ERIK.. It appears to me you have a good view of what is wrong with the education system and, with your business experience you also know how to get things done. The only way to fix a broken system is to get involved.. and work toward repairing it. Thank you all for your contributions to Letters to the editor.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-06-13 10:49 AM

Hi Erik.. back on topic as well, I guess we disagree. I see energy efficient water tanks on toilets as a good thing. There is a finite amount of potable water in the world and we're using this scarce and irreplaceable resource at an alarming rate.. there is no 'plan B' when it comes to our planet.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-06-13 10:45 AM

Hi Erik.. now, was that really so difficult? You used the word 'incapable' which lead me to believe that you suffered some sort if affliction or handicap.. or that you had some sort of felony conviction in your past. You might have chosen your words differently to more accurately describe your position. Much like you might more accurately ascribe the blame in some of your posts to the responsible party or even to both parties, as is often the case. While I am a staunch liberal, I have, when accurate, laid blame for a policy or position on the Democrats. Honesty in business is great but being honest with ones self is equally important. Enjoy your day, Erik.. I'm afraid I suffered a slight shoulder separation during ju jitsu last week and my abilities at the gym are limited.. let me know if you need some coal, I know Todd Berguson personally..

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eriklatranyi

Apr-06-13 10:37 AM

Buff:

Back on topic.

You may think it is ridiculous, but these are great examples where one person thinks they know what is best for everyone else and imposes their will on everyone.

You cannot go to Lowe's and buy a toilet with any size tank you wish. The federal gov't put a limit on it.

You may see that as ridiculous, but I see it as a perfect example of how we tolerate small infractions on our freedom in return for nothing of substance.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-06-13 10:34 AM

Buff:

Just as I could not work for a company that deals in a corrupt way, I could not work in a system that ignores excellent teachers, excellent students and, instead, caters to the worst among us.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-06-13 10:31 AM

Buff:

I am a sales professional. I love business to business sales and have dedicated my life to being the conduit between my company's products and the customer's needs.

I pride myself on being absolutely ethical and honest with my management and my customers.

That has earned me great respect.

Meanwhile, I watched my wife teach for 16 years and the absolutely idiot system we have in education.

On the school-side, it is cronyism and immature cliques, from the board down to the teacher's lounge.

On the parents' side, it is the 60% divorce rate and parents using their children against each other. A large percentage of the children get zero attention or support at home, so they return to class after an assignment with nothing because too many parents neglect their children's education.

I cannot be a teacher in a system that has no regard for excellence (on the school side) and no regard for decency (on the parents' side).

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Bufftrev1

Apr-06-13 10:28 AM

Good morning Phil.. another interesting letter, to be certain. Also an interesting subsequent post, to respond, I've been posting on this site for about a year and it would be fair to say that my usual inestimable patience does have it's limits. But I do continue to enjoy adult conversation with a preponderance on folks on here, despite our differences of opinions. However, to summarize, point well noted.. hope you enjoy this beautiful day to the fullest, I'm listening to a little Best of Moby..

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philunderwood

Apr-06-13 10:20 AM

David asked an intelligent question and enigma gave an intelligent answer; both are fine examples of a rational discussion others could learn from.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-06-13 10:06 AM

Wow.. thanks, Erik, for the laughs.. what a ridiculous post. Your post would seem to prove one thing, you haven't lost any freedoms whatsoever, despite enigmas repeated assertions. You are free to spend your money as you wish, head to wegmans or kohls and buy anything you can afford. Sane for toilets, head to Lowes or Barr's hardware and buy any one you like. I've lived in PA, CO and DC, and I've experienced one random DUI checkpoint and zero random pat downs.. meaning I move around 'unencumbered'. Stop by Jokers Coal in Morris or Todd Bergusons and buy all the coal you need.. but, again, thanks for the laugh. BTW, still waiting for you to answer the question, why are you incapable of becoming a teacher? My prediction is, if you respond to this post, you'll dodge it yet again. Off to the gym..

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