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Is it necessary?

April 7, 2013

The religious liberty controversy that has been raging on the national scene for nearly two years has come to the Susquehanna Valley....

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WKnapp

Apr-09-13 6:23 AM

Bufftrev1

Apr-08-13 9:43 PM

Sorry, chubby and USA.. those were not republican ideas. The individual mandate was a conservative brainstorm

Yeah, we all know that socialized medicine NEVER was foisted on any people anywhere before this harebrained scheme. Nope, it didn't exist in socialist Europe or Canada or anywhere else! That darned "conservative" whose idea that is was a real original thinker!

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valves

Apr-08-13 9:56 PM

Isn't it just like the idiots on the left? They lock any opposition or reason out of planning on a bill that affects virtually every person in the country (EXCEPT those voting on it!) and then they complain that there was no input from the other side! How stupid ARE those people?

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Bufftrev1

Apr-08-13 9:43 PM

Sorry, chubby and USA.. those were not republican ideas. The individual mandate was a conservative brainstorm, and the standard bearer could come up with nothing better than ' patient centered solution' . Proved to be as accurate as the rest of their polling..

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USABorn

Apr-08-13 7:45 PM

Bobbie2 Apr-08-13 1:24 PM Agree | Disagree

Jerr the dolt "What were those ideas USABorn? If the GOP actually had any ideas that the President refused to include, what were they."

"#1; tort reform"

#2 - Allowing people to purhase insurance across state lines.

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 8:07 PM

Mike, you did everything your doctor asked, so I am not sure what else could be expected of you to do. My comment was about those individuals who are advised to change, yet do nothing.

USABorn, unless your condition was brought about by self destructive behaviors that your doctor advised you to change and you failed to comply, my comment does not apply to you.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 7:42 PM

What were the ideas?

Just name a few that the President refused to consider.

(Because the President sure didn't want a bipartisan bill, oh gawd no, why would the President want that.)

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 7:13 PM

JerryfromRI - 6:16 PM

@USABorn

"So, let's just pretend that the President's words of outreach during the State of the Union address were imaginary, and go with your version of history instead: The GOP begged the President, please oh please Mr. President, include some of our ideas.

Swell.

What were those ideas USABorn? If the GOP actually had any ideas that the President refused to include, what were they.

Should be a pretty easy question to answer if history unfolded as you say it did"

Jerry have you ever heard of ESPN? Ever watched the live offerings of congressional hearings/debates? you might want to try it. As for the info you requested, if you ACTUALLY CARE, it is all a matter of record in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD.

But you don't really care, you just want to run your mouth and criticize others who DO pay attention to what is going on as opposed to repeating talking points.

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 7:06 PM

Because of the breathing and 24/7 back pain, exercise is all but impossible. The doctors tell me I'm in a vicious circle.

I recently found out the reason I can't breathe. My new doctors at Geisinger have figured out that 13 years ago I advanced to the "severe" stage of aortic stenosis, which is the reason for my breathing problem. To have the valve repaired requires heart surgery. Before I can have the heart surgery, I must lose the 50 lbs I gained. The doctor mentioned bariatric surgery to change the action of the intestines. BUT, I can't have that surgery without permission of the cardiac people. They won't give permission without the 50 lb weight loss. Any suggestions?

Should medicare pay for my pain meds and doctor visits? The medicare that I pay $170/mth for now, after paying in all my working life.

Maybe it would be better if I just die and get out of the way of you healthy people? Wouldn't want any of your tax dollars going my way would you?

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 6:50 PM

I saw MANY physicians, all telling me they could find nothing.

In the mean time, I can only walk a few feet before I gasp for breath. Add to that, the severe injuries my husband did to my back during two beatings. The damage is worse now because of deteriorating vertebrae and arthritis. Now I can walk only a few feet before pain stops me. I am forced to use a walker, or when shopping, an electric cart. I live by myself and do my own work and laundry.

The big problem is, I have gained weight because of inactivity. I eat 1200 calories per day divided into 5 meals, as advised by 3 physicians. I do not eat cookies, candy, chips, cake, pies, or other fatty foods. If I drink soda, it is Waist Watchers made with Splenda. I RARELY eat fast food of ANY kind. In addition, I have to take a high dosage of synthroid everyday because of HYPOthyroidism

cont'd

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 6:18 PM

mikekerstetter - 4:12 PM

gavinf56-"Just a question for the proponents of universal or single payer healthcare care..."

Gavin, I don't know that you ARE going to do anything with them. What can you do?

I mentioned previously that on Dec 31 1998, I went to bed just fine. The next morning I got up not being able to breathe. After a trip to the ER, and a week in the hospital, no one could tell me what was wrong.

I had test after test after test. For THIRTEEN YEARS I tried to get answers.

cont'd

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 6:16 PM

@USABorn

So, let's just pretend that the President's words of outreach during the State of the Union address were imaginary, and go with your version of history instead: The GOP begged the President, please oh please Mr. President, include some of our ideas.

Swell.

What were those ideas USABorn? If the GOP actually had any ideas that the President refused to include, what were they.

Should be a pretty easy question to answer if history unfolded as you say it did.

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 6:12 PM

DavidBross - 9:51 AM

"Also, do I remember correctly that parents who denied their children either blood transfusions or other life saving medical procedures were forced to allow such treatments to be given to their children?"

This does happen on occasion, but only after the matter is put before a judge, and the judge so orders, in order to save a child's life.

I knew a JW woman with 5 kids who had a perforated ulcer in the stomach. Her husband would not allow blood transfusions and she died leaving 5 young kids motherless.

That was many years ago. Now they have other things they can use beside whole blood. Thank GOD for advances in science.

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 6:00 PM

JerryfromRI - 8:38 AM

"If the GOP had participated in the ACA negotiations, instead is holding their breathe and throwing a tantrum on the sidelines, then may this particular issue in the law could have been negotiated to their satisfaction."

If the democrats hadn't acted like the idiots they are, things MIGHT HAVE ENDED UP DIFFERENTLY. But the republicans were NOT ALLOWED participation. When they tried to change anything they were shot down. The Obamacare document is 100% DUMBOCRAT MATERIAL.

It's too bad people don't pay more attention when bills are ongoing instead of waiting until they are a "done deed" to make their comments and then basing their comments on talking points instead of truth.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 4:35 PM

Corporations do not have souls, corporations are not going to Hell, but the same is not true of shareholders.

If come judgement day we are held responsible for the actions of the corporations in our 401Ks then I say we've got a lot more to worry about than whether any of those companies offered health insurance plans that covered contraception.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-07-13 4:12 PM

gavinf56-"Just a question for the proponents of universal or single payer healthcare care..."

Gavin, I don't know that you ARE going to do anything with them. What can you do?

I quit smoking and chewing 10 years ago. I've dieted and exercised for the last several years. I was on the Adkins diet and lost 65 lbs. Since I returned to a regular diet, I've put 25 lbs back on. I like to think I am watching what I eat and spend an hour at the Y at least 3 times/week doing aerobic and weight training. Doing the Adkins diet isn't something I can do continually but it's the only diet I've had any success with. So what would you propose to do with me? It isn't like I'm not trying do the right thing.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-07-13 3:48 PM

CMReeder-"Great now the religious right wants to decide for you what medical treatments you can have. They are determined to ruin healthcare."

Hardly. The religious don't want to be forced to PAY for things they think are not in line with religious beliefs. You can take birth control and have abortions if you want, you'll just pay for them yourself.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-07-13 3:43 PM

Alsever-"When your church starts paying Taxes then you can start complaining about Government policies. Put your monety where your mouth is."

Our Churches are full of taxpayers pooling their money to support the Church. We have every right to voice our opinions.

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Alsever

Apr-07-13 1:24 PM

When your church starts paying Taxes then you can start complaining about Government policies. Put your monety where your mouth is.

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rick424

Apr-07-13 12:47 PM

While we are talking religions and health care let us not forget Christian Science

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DavidBross

Apr-07-13 9:51 AM

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions. So, should JWs who run businesses be allowed to not provide for blood transfusions as part of the healthcare they offer or provide for employees? Also, do I remember correctly that parents who denied their children either blood transfusions or other life saving medical procedures were forced to allow such treatments to be given to their children?

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 9:05 AM

@msgjsheets

"We have the mess we have because your side doesn't have the balls to really try for single payer."

Yup. They gave up on single payer from the start.

Ted Kennedy said that after the failed health care negotiations with Nixon that he wished he'd gotten something, instead of drawing his line in the sand and gotten nothing.

So, I guess history repeats itself, it just depends which side of the aisle your standing on.

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 9:04 AM

BufTrev1, counterpoint acknowledged.

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 9:04 AM

Just a question for the proponents of universal or single payer healthcare care, one of the arguments is that with the increased access to preventative health care, overall healthcare costs will be driven down.

What do we do with the individual who visits their doctor and the doctor advises them to “stop smoking/exercise and lose weight/make better eating choices/ yada yada” to better improve their health (cholesterol/diabetes you name it) and the individual fails to adhere to the doctors advice?

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Bufftrev1

Apr-07-13 9:02 AM

G'morning Gavin.. how's this, ' isn't it funny that some conservatives within the Heritage Foundtion came up with the idea for an individual mandate in 1989..'? Is that specific enough to be deemed factual now? BTW, there are numerous examples from others who throw out broad, vacuous statements inferring things about liberals, so feel free to correct them as well for making such assertions.. fair is fair and I believe you to be a fair individual.

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philunderwood

Apr-07-13 8:59 AM

Government IS force and as long as government ignores laws that limit its power over us we’ll continue to loose our freedom of choice as individuals.

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