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Is it necessary?

April 7, 2013

The religious liberty controversy that has been raging on the national scene for nearly two years has come to the Susquehanna Valley....

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 3:40 AM

If we had a single payer health care system we would not have this problem.

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USABorn

Apr-07-13 5:57 AM

"Conestoga Wood Specialties and its owners, the Hahn family, filed a federal suit seeking protection against the federal mandate."

If they lose this appeal, then they have the option of discontinuing ALL insurance for their employees. Better to pay the fine then go against their faith. The employees can then thank the Obama administration, along with the hundreds of thousands of others who will be losing their insurance because of Obamacare.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-07-13 6:28 AM

Right, Jerry!

Just take the money from the people a the point of a gun and use it for abortions, sex changes and contraception!

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eriklatranyi

Apr-07-13 6:28 AM

Isn't it funny that liberals, like Jerry, advocate choice, except when it is a liberal program......then one size fits all and the individual has no choice.

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msgjsheets

Apr-07-13 8:07 AM

But we don't have a single payer health care system Jerry. We have the mess we have because your side doesn't have the balls to really try for single payer. They are currently just trying to ruin the system altogether so the public will settle for single payer. Obamacare will the straw the will bankrupt this nation. It will accomplish it in two ways, devastate jobs and force more people into the system than estimated causing the Federal government to borrow increasing amounts of money to pay for it. Estimates continue to rise on the cost of the program and it hasn't really started covering anybody yet!

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CMReeder

Apr-07-13 8:15 AM

Great now the religious right wants to decide for you what medical treatments you can have. They are determined to ruin healthcare.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 8:38 AM

@eriklatranyi

Isn't it funny how people such as yourself take what is a simple statement of fact at twist it to suit their own purposes.

Is that how you feel about Social Security and Medicare Erik, that your money is taken from you at gun point?

Have you ridden so long on the right wing crazy train that you now see ANY action taken by government as absolute tyranny?

Some people Erik, want to use birth control, are you going to tell them they can not?

If the GOP had participated in the ACA negotiations, instead is holding their breathe and throwing a tantrum on the sidelines, then may this particular issue in the law could have been negotiated to their satisfaction.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-07-13 8:39 AM

Isn't it funny that conservatives came up with the idea for an individual mandate in 1989, and supported the idea for nearly 25 years but now do not support it simply because a Democrat included it in the law? Isn't it funny that the recent republican standard bearers, mitt the twit and lyin ryan, both campaigned on the phrase 'patient centered solution' because it polled well but when asked to name a single specific initiative behind the phrase, they couldn't do so?

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 8:42 AM

"If the GOP had participated in the ACA negotiations,..." JerryfromRI

In order for the GOP to have participated, they first would have needed to have been asked by the Democrats for their proposals. It's hard to participate when only one side is writing the legislation.

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 8:44 AM

"Isn't it funny that conservatives came up with the idea for an individual mandate in 1989.." - BuffTrev1

As written, your statement is a falsehood. If you had written, "Isn't it funny that SOME conservatives came up with the idea for an individual mandate in 1989...", then your statement would be a factual comment.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 8:45 AM

@eriklatranyi

But in case I have not made it clear enough, I am very happy to pay some amount of extra money in taxes and just go to the doctors when I am ill.

Just like with Medicare.

Just like they do in dozens of other nations around the world.

Access to health care should be a basic human right, not a privilege of the affluent.

When did we stop becoming the richest nation on earth and simply become the nation with the most rich people.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 8:49 AM

@gavinf56

The President begged the GOP to work with him on the ACA, and the GOP made a calculated decision that it would be 'his Waterloo'.

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 8:52 AM

The President could have begged all he wanted to and it meant absolutely nothing other than good political drama. It was Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid who had no intentions of working with the Republican Party. It was Pelosi and Reid that the President needed to "work with".

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 8:53 AM

@Francine

How come you just don't pay the $2000/employee and let your people buy insurance on the exchange, instead of laying off 1000 people?

Surely you are contributing more than $2000/employee now, it would be a saving for you and your people keep their jobs.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 8:58 AM

@Francine

You know more about the Patriarca family than I do.

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philunderwood

Apr-07-13 8:59 AM

Government IS force and as long as government ignores laws that limit its power over us we’ll continue to loose our freedom of choice as individuals.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-07-13 9:02 AM

G'morning Gavin.. how's this, ' isn't it funny that some conservatives within the Heritage Foundtion came up with the idea for an individual mandate in 1989..'? Is that specific enough to be deemed factual now? BTW, there are numerous examples from others who throw out broad, vacuous statements inferring things about liberals, so feel free to correct them as well for making such assertions.. fair is fair and I believe you to be a fair individual.

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 9:04 AM

Just a question for the proponents of universal or single payer healthcare care, one of the arguments is that with the increased access to preventative health care, overall healthcare costs will be driven down.

What do we do with the individual who visits their doctor and the doctor advises them to “stop smoking/exercise and lose weight/make better eating choices/ yada yada” to better improve their health (cholesterol/diabetes you name it) and the individual fails to adhere to the doctors advice?

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gavinf56

Apr-07-13 9:04 AM

BufTrev1, counterpoint acknowledged.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-07-13 9:05 AM

@msgjsheets

"We have the mess we have because your side doesn't have the balls to really try for single payer."

Yup. They gave up on single payer from the start.

Ted Kennedy said that after the failed health care negotiations with Nixon that he wished he'd gotten something, instead of drawing his line in the sand and gotten nothing.

So, I guess history repeats itself, it just depends which side of the aisle your standing on.

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DavidBross

Apr-07-13 9:51 AM

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions. So, should JWs who run businesses be allowed to not provide for blood transfusions as part of the healthcare they offer or provide for employees? Also, do I remember correctly that parents who denied their children either blood transfusions or other life saving medical procedures were forced to allow such treatments to be given to their children?

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rick424

Apr-07-13 12:47 PM

While we are talking religions and health care let us not forget Christian Science

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Alsever

Apr-07-13 1:24 PM

When your church starts paying Taxes then you can start complaining about Government policies. Put your monety where your mouth is.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-07-13 3:43 PM

Alsever-"When your church starts paying Taxes then you can start complaining about Government policies. Put your monety where your mouth is."

Our Churches are full of taxpayers pooling their money to support the Church. We have every right to voice our opinions.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-07-13 3:48 PM

CMReeder-"Great now the religious right wants to decide for you what medical treatments you can have. They are determined to ruin healthcare."

Hardly. The religious don't want to be forced to PAY for things they think are not in line with religious beliefs. You can take birth control and have abortions if you want, you'll just pay for them yourself.

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