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DCNR proceeds with ‘Q&A’ session on drilling

April 5, 2013

DUSHORE — The state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources went ahead with a closed-door meeting with invited “stakeholders” Thursday at its district offices here about proposed natural ga......

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Apr-05-13 5:37 AM

I'm not familiar with this situation where the State owns the surface rights, but private parties own the subsurface mineral rights. Does anyone know the story of how this situation came to pass?

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Apr-05-13 5:45 AM

In 1989, the Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court ruled that under the 1933 deed by which the Commonwealth acquired the Clarence Moore Lands, the Commonwealth has exclusive control of the surface, notwithstanding the fact that it does not own the oil and gas rights. See Clarence Moore v. Department of Environmental Resources, 566 A.2d 906 (Pa. Cmwlth. 1989).

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Apr-05-13 5:49 AM

Nothing ever good comes from behind closed doors. I am glad to see that at least some conservation minded groups were invited. This should be a cut and dried case, no drilling in State forests as per the and the DCNR’s 201O conclusion that “there are Zero State Forest Land acres suitable for [additional] gas leasing involving surface disturbance.

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Apr-05-13 6:25 AM

Stay Out of Rock Run!

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Apr-05-13 6:56 AM

It is right to keep the outside groups away while everyone locally involved takes each other's temperature.

It is far better to see if a local consensus can be reached first. If so, then they can invite outside input.

This is unfortunate, but many of these outside groups have no interest in listening to anyone.

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Apr-05-13 7:01 AM

we the people need to read up on the sunshine act before any meetings go on behind closed doors

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Apr-05-13 7:04 AM

Tedeaux there is a PDF on line somewhere that explained all this, I believe it was a legal document. Also the RDA has a document on line that explains it. Can't post the link but it is there. Kind of crazy but it happens a lot. Buy land with no mineral rights and you are pretty much screwed. Truthfully I am not sure what they can do here. This statement says a lot; "Novak said that DCNR continues to be in discussions with Anadarko to develop its mineral rights within the Loyalsock State Forest"

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Apr-05-13 7:07 AM

By picking and choosing who may attend this meeting is nothing more than a violation of the Pennsylvania's Sunshine Act.

The people of this State had the right to know what was being said and had the right to record the meeting.

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Apr-05-13 7:17 AM

I believe this meeting was a direct violation of PA Sunshine Act. There are only certain items that may be discussed in closed door meetings. "Section 702. Legislative findings and declaration

(a) Findings. The General Assembly finds that the right of the public to be present at all meetings of agencies and to witness the deliberation, policy formulation and decisionmaking of agencies is vital to the enhancement and proper functioning of the democratic process and that secrecy in public affairs undermines the faith of the public in government and the public's effectiveness in fulfilling its role in a democratic society." There are only 3 exclusions to open meetings and this one does not fit.

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Apr-05-13 7:30 AM

Hey Bornhere, I went up 87 to Farragut to go home and what a mess.

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Apr-05-13 8:08 AM

Now you know why I sold my house.

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Apr-05-13 9:14 AM

CarlHiller and BornHere are right a violation has occurred against the people of our State. This needs to be investigated.

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Apr-05-13 10:00 AM

No violation accured it was a Q&A session and they invited important people like the snowmobile club, im sure they are 15 members strong and the trout club, which probably has another 5-6 members. Nothing good comes from inviting the public cause the only people that show up are the cry baby hippie tree hugging people that love to complain and have no vested direct intrest in the area. I hope anadarko paid all these people off in the closed door meeting, it will give us something to complain about later when we find out.

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Apr-05-13 2:32 PM


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Apr-05-13 10:48 PM

our state reps were there rember this when voting polls open ,i hope there is a none of the above choice this year

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Apr-06-13 8:04 AM

Dear Sec Allen:

My name is Steve Todd. I am not 'local' to our Loyalsock State Forest. I do, nonetheless, have a a direct interest into this tract of land: I am as much an owner of it as you are. Anadarko does not own a stake in OUR State Forest, nor do they have any interest in protecting our 25,000 acres of highly sensitive environmental areas. Please hold OPEN public meetings before you lease our land to any of these non-constituents. Thank you.

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Apr-06-13 8:07 AM

Pathetic! Our elected officials and their appointed help are giving away things that do not belong to them and getting benefits in return. Gene Yaw is a blazing example of this. And they do so with an arrogance that defies logic. This whole thing should be an easy decision. It is state land, owned by the people. Leave it alone. Better yet, give the people that own the land a say, but no, they might say things that our public servants don't like. Can't have that, can we?

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Apr-06-13 8:20 AM

At the meeting Allen said DCNR is NOT negotiating with Anadarko, But press sec.Novak said they were.Have to find out which!Also Allen said DCNR does Not hold public meetings and I didn't get the chance to ask him about the 21 meetings held in 2002 concerning leasing in the Trenton Black River deep gas reserve.Everett, Mirabito and Vitali asked for real open public meetings.Bottom line--DCNR is conducting a legal review to see what happens next,awaiting Anadarko's move.

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Apr-06-13 11:29 AM

Hey Steven how goes it? Hope you can post more up here. Over the years the comments have shifted. When I first started there were only a few of us who were concerned. I was even called a terrorist at one point. But, as you can see, things have and are continuing to change. The beginning was the money and jobs, neither of which panned out as of yet, in fact it went the other way. The industry PR certainly has improved but for the most part they seem to be in damage control mode. Good to hear from you.

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Apr-06-13 1:00 PM

Loyaltothesock, thanks for getting back to us about the meeting, I heard the same thing from some of my friends who attended.

rick, I wonder WHO called you a terrorist, pay them no attention life goes on.

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Apr-07-13 6:26 AM

what is it they need to keep secret from the public ?

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Apr-07-13 6:35 AM

i'm just wondering, when thw dust settles,how many of the invited guests are going to make a bundle of money ?

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Apr-07-13 8:38 AM

Since your soo concerned acrman, I won't be making anything. :-)

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Apr-07-13 8:44 AM


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Apr-07-13 1:24 PM

Wow!!! 2 for the gas-holers;24 for KEEP IT WILD !!! This land is your land not Anadarko's land; this land was made for you and me.~~~~~

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