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DCNR proceeds with ‘Q&A’ session on drilling

April 5, 2013

DUSHORE — The state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources went ahead with a closed-door meeting with invited “stakeholders” Thursday at its district offices here about proposed natural ga......

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Apr-08-13 10:38 AM

Subsurface rights supersede surface rights. It becomes a "right of way" issue.

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Apr-08-13 10:30 AM

Got this at 8:30 this morning from Garth Everett's office.The difference for the Trenton Black River lease sales hearings and the situation DCNR is dealing with now is that the Loyalsock State Forest development ( Clarence Moore Lands) is not a lease sale decision as TBR was. DCNR is not deciding whether or not to lease. DCNR is negotiating with a private entity that already owns the right to develop and that is DCNR's job. The Secretary stated that this is a very unique situation with many legal complexities and that he does not feel that public hearings are appropriate or will help resolve it. Tha Secretary's and DCNR"s job is to deal with this complex issue and reach a solution with the developer that minimizes the impact of the development in what everyone acknowledges is a valuable resource. I guess that answers some questions. Let's see if the DCNR legal department decides that DCNR has the power to exercise their exclusive surface rights and if Sec. Allen will follow thru.

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Apr-08-13 6:49 AM

"" i'm just wondering, when thw dust settles,how many of the invited guests are going to make a bundle of money ? ""

It won't be the one's that say [ NO ]to the big energy companies.

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Apr-07-13 5:55 PM

I say i won't be getting anything and i get 6 disagrees!! ****. Maybe you ppl know more about me then i do? Had a great weekend in pine creek. don't know what all the crying is about. Its a beautiful place!

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Apr-07-13 1:24 PM

Wow!!! 2 for the gas-holers;24 for KEEP IT WILD !!! This land is your land not Anadarko's land; this land was made for you and me.~~~~~

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Apr-07-13 8:44 AM


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Apr-07-13 8:38 AM

Since your soo concerned acrman, I won't be making anything. :-)

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Apr-07-13 6:35 AM

i'm just wondering, when thw dust settles,how many of the invited guests are going to make a bundle of money ?

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Apr-07-13 6:26 AM

what is it they need to keep secret from the public ?

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Apr-06-13 1:00 PM

Loyaltothesock, thanks for getting back to us about the meeting, I heard the same thing from some of my friends who attended.

rick, I wonder WHO called you a terrorist, pay them no attention life goes on.

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Apr-06-13 11:29 AM

Hey Steven how goes it? Hope you can post more up here. Over the years the comments have shifted. When I first started there were only a few of us who were concerned. I was even called a terrorist at one point. But, as you can see, things have and are continuing to change. The beginning was the money and jobs, neither of which panned out as of yet, in fact it went the other way. The industry PR certainly has improved but for the most part they seem to be in damage control mode. Good to hear from you.

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Apr-06-13 8:20 AM

At the meeting Allen said DCNR is NOT negotiating with Anadarko, But press sec.Novak said they were.Have to find out which!Also Allen said DCNR does Not hold public meetings and I didn't get the chance to ask him about the 21 meetings held in 2002 concerning leasing in the Trenton Black River deep gas reserve.Everett, Mirabito and Vitali asked for real open public meetings.Bottom line--DCNR is conducting a legal review to see what happens next,awaiting Anadarko's move.

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Apr-06-13 8:07 AM

Pathetic! Our elected officials and their appointed help are giving away things that do not belong to them and getting benefits in return. Gene Yaw is a blazing example of this. And they do so with an arrogance that defies logic. This whole thing should be an easy decision. It is state land, owned by the people. Leave it alone. Better yet, give the people that own the land a say, but no, they might say things that our public servants don't like. Can't have that, can we?

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Apr-06-13 8:04 AM

Dear Sec Allen:

My name is Steve Todd. I am not 'local' to our Loyalsock State Forest. I do, nonetheless, have a a direct interest into this tract of land: I am as much an owner of it as you are. Anadarko does not own a stake in OUR State Forest, nor do they have any interest in protecting our 25,000 acres of highly sensitive environmental areas. Please hold OPEN public meetings before you lease our land to any of these non-constituents. Thank you.

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Apr-05-13 10:48 PM

our state reps were there rember this when voting polls open ,i hope there is a none of the above choice this year

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Apr-05-13 2:32 PM


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Apr-05-13 10:00 AM

No violation accured it was a Q&A session and they invited important people like the snowmobile club, im sure they are 15 members strong and the trout club, which probably has another 5-6 members. Nothing good comes from inviting the public cause the only people that show up are the cry baby hippie tree hugging people that love to complain and have no vested direct intrest in the area. I hope anadarko paid all these people off in the closed door meeting, it will give us something to complain about later when we find out.

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Apr-05-13 9:14 AM

CarlHiller and BornHere are right a violation has occurred against the people of our State. This needs to be investigated.

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Apr-05-13 8:08 AM

Now you know why I sold my house.

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Apr-05-13 7:30 AM

Hey Bornhere, I went up 87 to Farragut to go home and what a mess.

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Apr-05-13 7:17 AM

I believe this meeting was a direct violation of PA Sunshine Act. There are only certain items that may be discussed in closed door meetings. "Section 702. Legislative findings and declaration

(a) Findings. The General Assembly finds that the right of the public to be present at all meetings of agencies and to witness the deliberation, policy formulation and decisionmaking of agencies is vital to the enhancement and proper functioning of the democratic process and that secrecy in public affairs undermines the faith of the public in government and the public's effectiveness in fulfilling its role in a democratic society." There are only 3 exclusions to open meetings and this one does not fit.

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Apr-05-13 7:07 AM

By picking and choosing who may attend this meeting is nothing more than a violation of the Pennsylvania's Sunshine Act.

The people of this State had the right to know what was being said and had the right to record the meeting.

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Apr-05-13 7:04 AM

Tedeaux there is a PDF on line somewhere that explained all this, I believe it was a legal document. Also the RDA has a document on line that explains it. Can't post the link but it is there. Kind of crazy but it happens a lot. Buy land with no mineral rights and you are pretty much screwed. Truthfully I am not sure what they can do here. This statement says a lot; "Novak said that DCNR continues to be in discussions with Anadarko to develop its mineral rights within the Loyalsock State Forest"

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Apr-05-13 7:01 AM

we the people need to read up on the sunshine act before any meetings go on behind closed doors

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Apr-05-13 6:56 AM

It is right to keep the outside groups away while everyone locally involved takes each other's temperature.

It is far better to see if a local consensus can be reached first. If so, then they can invite outside input.

This is unfortunate, but many of these outside groups have no interest in listening to anyone.

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