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About Newtown?

April 12, 2013

Four months ago, a lunatic stole a gun and killed a bunch of school kids. In response our federal government is debating making it a federal offense to buy or sell what they call assault rifles....

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eriklatranyi

Apr-14-13 7:09 AM

Spike2:

When you fill out the form 4473 to purchase a firearm, you open yourself to 5 years in prison and up to s $10,000 fine if you lie.

I think even the dumbest criminal knows if they have been convicted of a felony.

So, lying on the application is already a criminal offense.

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spike2

Apr-13-13 10:24 AM

Vince - it is an application only. Many people honestly don't know what offenses exclude a license. People dishonestly apply and honestly. The ability to deny the application is a good early point of prevention.

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rmiller

Apr-13-13 9:56 AM

Mr. Rinker,

This is not about assault weapons, rather an assault on the Constitution, which incidentally is Obama's nemesis‘.

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msgjsheets

Apr-12-13 8:18 PM

I'm sure our beloved government will do a much better job enforcing the war on guns as they have the war on drugs!. Rick, you can choose to take a knife to a gun fight, or nothing to a knife fight. That is your choice. Don't take my choice away from me or take others away from them. As for Chuck, still waiting for the random sensible thought he used to cast out, but it doesn't look like we'll be seeing it anytime soon!

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Ritty77

Apr-12-13 8:01 PM

Chuck, if gun rights advocates are responsible for the actions of Adam Lanza, are abortion rights advocates responsible for the actions of Kermit Gosnell?

As an aside, which of these groups actually advocates killing innocents and which group does not?

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enigma

Apr-12-13 7:07 PM

Ritty, It's even worse than that. When it becomes impossible to get these guns legally, criminals will turn to the black market, and why would they buy semi-automatic weapons, when automatic weapons will be just as easy to get. Their are literally millions of full auto AK-47s in the world and they would find their way here if semi-autos became scarce. If these bans pass it could actually make things worse, but then, that's what liberals are good at.

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Ritty77

Apr-12-13 6:52 PM

As I understand it, none of the pending gun control bills requires anyone to turn in a specific gun, even if the manufacture and sale of same is made illegal. So the number of these guns among the population will stay basically the same.

Is the plan to just let attrition remove these guns from the homes and streets of America? Since they will be better taken care of because they are now instantly more valuable, and with that value comes increased smuggling, won't it take many years for any noticeable decrease in these weapons?

And after the next evil mass killing, won't gun control advocates use that exact argument for further legislation requiring their confiscation?

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enigma

Apr-12-13 5:20 PM

Vince, You are correct. Before the background check is conducted there is a form that has to be filled out and signed attesting to the truthfulness of the answers. I don't know if anyone has ever been charged with falsely filling out that form, but it is a crime. I don't know if you can not know that you are ineligible to buy a gun. It's not like the terrorist watch list where you can be on it for any stupid reason. The background check database is supposed to contain only criminal convictions and adjudicated mental incompetence. That is one of the things some in Congress want to change. They want to change the database to indiscriminately forbid people from owning firearms. Hope that answers your question.

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VinceKnauff

Apr-12-13 4:41 PM

"Failing a background check is not a crime." - Spike said

Is the background check the first step in purchasing a firearm? Isn't there a form that is filled out first that asks if you are convicted of certain crimes? I am asking this because I do not know the answer, not having gone through the process myself.

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spike2

Apr-12-13 3:22 PM

Failing a background check is not a crime. There is no existing law that prevents application. Some people honestly don't know they are ineligible to own. Kind of like those with DUI's are ineligible for jury service. Go ahead, disagree. The law is what it is. M-2 or higher, no jury duty.

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rick424

Apr-12-13 2:52 PM

And just how many of those 1,694 homicides by knife were just random acts of terror? Just how many of those were mass homicides caused by one individual? How many died in Texas in the mass stabbing? Yes murder is a murder, but I would take my chances with the guy that has a knife then one with an assault rifle.

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CarlHiller

Apr-12-13 1:45 PM

rick424 - According to the FBI's Expanded Homicide Data Table 11 there were 1,694 homicides by knife. Leftists should should be up in arms against these deaths by violence. Of course it doesn't fit the agenda.

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CarlHiller

Apr-12-13 1:40 PM

Sometimes doing nothing is the best solution.

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rick424

Apr-12-13 1:40 PM

Again, how many died in that mass stabbing??

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gavinf56

Apr-12-13 1:36 PM

Just pass a law you can't have nukes unless you pass a background check. North Korea problem solved.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-12-13 1:30 PM

Hello conservatives.. so, is it fair to say that your party platform regarding gun legislation is like your parties stand on healthcare/health insurance.. do nothing?

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CarlHiller

Apr-12-13 1:00 PM

Geez, I wonder if the gun advocates had anything to do with the mass stabbing of more than a dozen people at the Cy-Fair campus of Lone Star College. If you're crazy and intent on doing harm to someone it doesn't matter what the weapon is. Taking away the right to own any gun, semi-auto or not, will not stop those intent on doing harm. I'm sure the commies will now want to confiscate all knives so no one gets hurt. I'm surprised Obama and all the rest of the leftists aren't up in arms about knives killing people.

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VinceKnauff

Apr-12-13 12:35 PM

"Common sense, there is no common sense in this letter." Chuck Reeder

Of all the things Chuck has commented on in these spaces, common sense is the one that he is the least qualified to discuss.

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enigma

Apr-12-13 12:30 PM

Rick,"Fort Hood Massacre, tons of weapons and MPs nearby. And yet it still happened. Thanks Bobbie."

You've never been in the military have you Rick? There may be lots of weapons on a military base, but no one is allowed to carry them, except teh MPs and then only on duty. It's ironic, but military bases are gigantic gun free zones for all practical purposes. If some of those around the killing had been armed, there may very well have been fewer people shot. Like Newtown, the victims had to wait for police to arrive. Also, there are not MPs everywhere. I was an MP and I can tell you that MPs are the most outnumbered law enforcement personnel in the country. Each one covers more area with more people than any other police department I have seen.

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Tgrammiex4

Apr-12-13 11:17 AM

In a criminal's mind,(or an insane mind) laws don't apply to them. We could have a million laws on the books for guns and it will not stop someone who is he!!bent on doing something like this.

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SteelerFan

Apr-12-13 11:05 AM

about

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SteelerFan

Apr-12-13 11:04 AM

How aout if we just outlaw evil Chuck, that should take care of the gun problem?

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SteelerFan

Apr-12-13 11:03 AM

Pretty lame Rick since Hasan was one of them and you usually don't expect a fellow soldier to open fire on you.

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rick424

Apr-12-13 10:50 AM

Fort Hood Massacre, tons of weapons and MPs nearby. And yet it still happened. Thanks Bobbie.

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VinceKnauff

Apr-12-13 10:11 AM

"The gun advocates put guns in the bad guys hands." - Chuck Reeder

What do you anti-gun zealots do to take the guns out of the bad guys' hands? No, really - I know that you, Chuck, are usually unable to add detail to your Liberal talking points. I'll give you one more try at explaining exactly how all these gun laws you support will actually make anyone safer? Perhaps you can use Chicago as an example of how strict gun laws make people safer.

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