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The middle ground

April 14, 2013

Before you jump down his throat, know this: Pennsylvania Senator Pat Toomey didn't just sell away your Second Amendment rights by compromising for increased background checks on firearms purchases....

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USABorn

Apr-16-13 7:57 AM

That should be psycho-babble.....

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USABorn

Apr-16-13 7:56 AM

MrShaman - 6:11 AM

"States have already begun giving Holder (by his request) lists of people who have been given and passed background checks." - USABorn

"Eric Holder told you (this), HIMSELF...or, is that another o' those Porky Limbaugh/EIBS-generated factoids?"

Sham, it is quite apparent that you must spend 3 hours a day/5 days a week with Rush since you seem to know everything he says.

At my age, I choose not to spend 15 hrs a week listening to Rush.

You try and pretend you are so intelligent, and yet you don't even keep up with the news. (Your liberal psyho-babble talking points don't count as news.)

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USABorn

Apr-16-13 7:45 AM

Saw on the news where Toomey is no longer backing the bill!!! He contends it goes TOO FAR.

I contend he has gotten the message from constituents that his future as a senator has gone pfft BECAUSE of that backing!

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gavinf56

Apr-15-13 10:29 AM

Well Carl, I am not sure how any of those are "outside the limits of the Constitution", but I do know you and I will disagree on whether a compromise is the reason they are bad legislation.

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CarlHiller

Apr-15-13 9:41 AM

1986's Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). reagan signed this compromise bill into law that did nothing to stem the tide of illegal entry into the nation nor the excessive costs associated with it. There are any number of compromises we could discuss, some like the bipartisan failures of an excessive interventionist foreign policy, an economy built on artificially inflated bubbles and crony capitalism to name but a few.

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gavinf56

Apr-15-13 9:02 AM

Carl, what compromises specifically are you talking about?

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spike2

Apr-15-13 8:25 AM

Again, how shameful to sit in judgement of the parents of these children. keep watching Sean Hannity. Seriously, who are you to question their motivation?

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MrShaman

Apr-15-13 8:10 AM

"how shameful of the deceased parents to exploit the death of their children in to helping pass a meaningless law that will do nothing to curb violence. wow what idiots they are" - Garben78

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Idiots?? I'd say...ANYthing a deceased-parent could accomplish would be pretty-notable!!!!!

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Garben78

Apr-15-13 7:50 AM

Give them a little they take a lot give them any more and we are where we are today with nothing left to give. how shameful of the deceased parents to exploit the death of their children in to helping pass a meaningless law that will do nothing to curb violence. wow what idiots they are

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MrShaman

Apr-15-13 6:11 AM

"States have already begun giving Holder (by his request) lists of people who have been given and passed background checks." - USABorn

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Eric Holder told you (this), HIMSELF...or, is that another o' those Porky Limbaugh/EIBS-generated factoids?

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MrShaman

Apr-15-13 6:06 AM

"Without compromise, neither this country nor our Constitution would exist." - gavinf56

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AGREED!!!! It's what mature-adults DO.

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CarlHiller

Apr-15-13 6:05 AM

Compromise outside the limits of the Constitution, gavin, has created the whole mess we are experiencing today. Compromise in the context of Constitutional lawmaking is the right way, but compromise based on the sake of compromise will not benefit society as a whole it just leads to more control over more people.

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MrShaman

Apr-15-13 6:04 AM

"State's rights is dead." - JerryfromRI

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....And, appropriately-so.

See:

Musarium: Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America

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MrShaman

Apr-15-13 6:00 AM

If we're going to be consistent (for a Change), I believe firearms-owners are entitled to the same opinion, offered, when BU$HCO decided they were entitled to monitor any-and-all communications (between individuals), in the name o' "national security":

"If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you WORRIED-about??"

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msgjsheets

Apr-14-13 9:46 AM

The Second Amendment should be the only thing needed to take a shotgun from state to state to go duck hunting. There lies the issue. We allowed our rights to be taken away little by little and now we are asked to give more of them up to gain some small piece that never should have been taken in the first place.

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CMReeder

Apr-14-13 9:04 AM

And it begins, the slippery slope to hysteria. As a gun control advocate this bill is weak and lame and a sham. All they accomplished is getting a debate in the Senate over background checks nothing more.

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Ritty77

Apr-14-13 8:22 AM

"When you read the bill, you will find that it specifically outlaws the creation of any sort of gun registry..."

I got a kick out of that one, too, USABorn. :)

After the Senate adds and rejects assault weapons and magazine amendments to give red-state Dems cover, the bill goes to the House, and Boner has already said he'll allow a vote on the bill.

When the bill is passed and becomes law, then that will finally and forever be the end of any gun control talk, that's for sure.

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farmer

Apr-14-13 8:05 AM

"I see no point in agreeing with democrats on anything" Hitler never compromised, Stalin never compromised, nor Chavez, Pol Pot, Genghis Kahn, or Idi Amin. Interesting company You keep.

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DavidBross

Apr-14-13 7:51 AM

The last sentence should read, "Too often, authors of letters and posts do not accept that there can be reasonable points of view that differ from theirs.

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DavidBross

Apr-14-13 7:50 AM

Rick and Gavin, I agree with your posts. It is refreshing to read a letter that isn't a lecture, but rather an explanation of a point of view that the author understands is one of many that reasonable people can hold. Too often, authors of letters and posts do accept that there can be reasonable points of view that differ from theirs.

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USABorn

Apr-14-13 7:46 AM

" When you read the bill, you will find that it specifically outlaws the creation of any sort of gun registry, affirms an individual right to keep and bear arms, establishes a national mental health commission, and actually expands Second Amendment rights in a number of ways."

Since when does Obama and Holder obey the laws of this country? States have already begun giving Holder (by his request) lists of people who have been given and passed background checks. Exactly WHAT do you think he is going to do with this information?

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enigma

Apr-14-13 7:46 AM

The bottom line is that this law improves nothing and spends millions of dollars. Compromise is not always good and in this case moves toward infringement, fixes nothing and wastes money. If that's what you want from government then this is great, otherwise it is a colossal mistake. Just in case it isn't clear, I believe it is a overreach by an out of control federal government.

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gavinf56

Apr-14-13 7:26 AM

Without compromise, neither this country nor our Constitution would exist.

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rick424

Apr-14-13 7:16 AM

"I see no point in agreeing with democrats on anything which allows their foot in the door"

And that my friends is the problem with our country.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-14-13 7:06 AM

State's rights is dead. Neither party respects the sovereignty of the state.

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