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April 18, 2013

The current debate regarding same-sex marriage mirrors the debate many years ago regarding mixed-race marriage....

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Ritty77

Apr-18-13 3:10 AM

Those who opposed mixed-race marriage did so in order to perpetuate and institutionalize segregation and racism. While some of the same arguments are being used, the issues of mixed-race marriage ans same-sex marriage are quite different as the former violated the 14th amendment, the latter does not.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-18-13 3:43 AM

I read, or heard, something the other day that said something to the effect that the courts have never ruled that sexual orientation was a basis for a 'rights' case and the person who said it believed that if the case is heard it would lose on that merit.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-18-13 6:06 AM

When you say the arguments (cultural upheaval, dysfunctional children, and violating religious beliefs) are wrong because someone inaccurately applied them in the past, you are opening the door to legalize incest, pedophilia, drug usage, underage drinking, prostitution, etc.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-18-13 6:07 AM

Another lame attempt to paint this as a civil rights issue.

Homosexual couples are not being beaten.

Homosexual couples have no barriers to their unions (except from churches).

Homosexual couples can engage in legal unions that confers benefits, rights and wishes to their partners.

None of this is disputable.

Reform federal law to make it easier to confer benefits to the partners in same-sex unions, but do not redefine the word marriage.

It is a lazy and sloppy means to achieve the right end.

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Shihan

Apr-18-13 7:00 AM

You are WAY OFF here!

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DavidBross

Apr-18-13 7:46 AM

I am actually not an ardent supporter of same-sex marriage. The one concern I have is that when gender doesn't matter, than maybe number won't either. But, I do think that it will happen, and decades from now people will wonder what the fuss was about What got me started writing the letter was how the objections used against same-sex marriage are used to object to other things. The awful things predicted don't come to pass and the folks using these objections begin to sound like the boy who cried, "Wolf!" In short, the reasons for an objection can be as important as what you are objecting to.

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msgjsheets

Apr-18-13 8:04 AM

For years we were told to stay out of peoples bedrooms, it wasn't our business. We did. Now the Gay and Lesbian community has brought their bedrooms to us in order to establish a new right. I have no issues with establishing 100% of the same legal rights as marriage with a different name as long as it protects the rights of churches to continue to practice according to their own doctrine. As a Libertarian at heart, I believe this issue is a State's rights issue as it is not delegated to the federal government in the Constitution. Texas brings up a good point. If same sex marriage becomes the law of the land, what next. Polygamy, fathers marrying sons or daughters, lowering ages of consent for marriage. Won't they deserve the same "rights"?

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rick424

Apr-18-13 8:08 AM

"and decades from now people will wonder what the fuss was about"

It is already starting, as the old codgers die off this will be a thing of the past, a bump in history so to speak. In the mean time be amused by those against it with their lame arguments of the bible says it is wrong. I found this quote for those of you to ponder, "But if we take a closer look, reading the scripture in the original Hebrew and Greek, we discover that God never condemned homosexuality, and that same-sex marriage existed in Bible times." In fact someone else said it was started around the 17th century. Can't wait for the responses on this.

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CMReeder

Apr-18-13 8:10 AM

We will not know what the court will rule until they hand it down. Right now it is all conjecture. At least they ahd their day in court. Even if same sex marriage loses, it won.

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philunderwood

Apr-18-13 8:33 AM

Good letter and good arguments, David. I’ll add that government should only be involved in the legal aspect of any kind of contractual agreement between consenting adults. The right of free association guarantees individuals the ability to enter into or not enter into contracts and relationships with anyone they choose or choose not to, as long as the association doesn’t infringe upon anyone else’s rights. Offending someone’s sensibilities or beliefs doesn’t constitute an infringement upon their rights.

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CMReeder

Apr-18-13 8:41 AM

Phil doesn't get it. It is about protection.

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philunderwood

Apr-18-13 9:41 AM

Protection against what?

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enigma

Apr-18-13 11:36 AM

David Bross,"The current debate regarding same-sex marriage mirrors the debate many years ago regarding mixed-race marriage."

Wrong! This is just a lie used by those pushing for same sex marriage that works on the ignorant. Mixed race marriage was about skin color while same sex marriage is about redefining the whole concept of marriage. Even in ancient times when race did not matter in marriage, gender did. Marriage has always been the union of a man and a woman. The other misconception in this debate is that gays do not have the same rights as the rest of us. They have exactly the same rights when it comes to marriage that I have. That's not what they want. They want to change the definition of marriage to fit their desires. This is not a debate about equal rights, this is a debate about the meaning of a word, a word that means a lot to some people. Being taken in by these clever arguments does not make you open-minded, it makes you gullible.

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Bufftrev1

Apr-18-13 11:58 AM

Excellent letter, David, I'm in complete agreement. History will likely prove to unfold as you foresee..

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philunderwood

Apr-18-13 1:03 PM

I’ve known and worked with many G&Ls and I’ve never heard any of them speak of a desire to get married. Marriage is even rapidly going out of style with heterosexuals these days. I believe most of the noise is coming from activists on both sides of the issue.

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CMReeder

Apr-18-13 1:44 PM

Figure it out for yourself Phil.

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philunderwood

Apr-18-13 2:58 PM

I have no interest in trying to get inside your head, Chuck.

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spike2

Apr-18-13 3:26 PM

Homosexual couples are not beaten? Really. Of course your end is the right end. Phil, with all due respect, until the last few years how many gay males and females would discuss their desire for marriage with a heterosexual.

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philunderwood

Apr-18-13 4:18 PM

Spike, I’ve had G&Ls that were or are neighbors, friends, business associates, and a close family member. When I lived and worked in So. Cal. G&Ls were common in the work place. Some I worked closely with. Most were glad to introduce me to their partners.

I see people as individuals, not as part of any group; I find that it’s the left that thinks in terms of their victum groups.

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JerryfromRI

Apr-18-13 5:20 PM

Very good letter Mr. Bross.

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nobud74

Apr-18-13 5:21 PM

Good letter, Mr. Bross. I believe that with all the problems we face as a society and country to expend energy fighting this is illogical. Let's get on with the real problems.

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rmiller

Apr-18-13 11:00 PM

David, this is mixing apples and oranges. You are correct about bi racial marriages lacking merit to make a law against something God doesn't see wrong. An individual can't help the color of their skin, for those couples, now it's not an issue, itis about love between a man and a woman, period. Being homosexual is a sin before God and that settles it. I don't have a horse in this race because I don't socialize with people of deprivation of any sort. My witness is out there and has been for some time. If sodomy was the only sin you ever comitted, it would be enough to send you to an eternity in hell, period.

Keith, enigma, erik, Texas, Mike, Msg, and now myself bear a small sampling of a majority of poster's on this one page. If this is indicative of the general population's opinion and not fixed stats, people don't want it. It is a deviance that is an abomination to the Creator. This is just one more nail in our coffin before God's wrath is poured out...

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USABorn

Apr-19-13 4:51 AM

rmiller - 11:00 PM

"I don't socialize with people of deprivation of any sort. My witness is out there and has been for some time."

How full of hate you seem to be. I would be sorely disappointed to know people like Texas, et al, think like you.

Secondly, the next part of your comment is so far from the truth it is unreal.

"If sodomy was the only sin you ever comitted, it would be enough to send you to an eternity in hell, period."

I have never cared for false christians. Better read the following:

cont'd

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USABorn

Apr-19-13 4:57 AM

Mark 3:22-30 states,

"And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, 'He has Beelzebub,' and, 'By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.' …'Assuredly, I [Jesus] say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; BUT HE WHO BLASPHEMIES AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT NEVER HAS FORGIVENESS, but is subject to eternal condemnation;' because they said, 'He has an unclean spirit'"

I have no idea who your god is. I'm glad to know MY GOD is a forgiving GOD.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-19-13 5:27 AM

Romans 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with*****for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (a- The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.)

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