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Discouraging

April 19, 2013

It is very discouraging to read that the Williamsport Area School Board is eliminating "Mechanical Drawing" or whatever they call it these days, (even the electronic variety) from the curriculum....

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LaughIn

Apr-20-13 11:18 PM

What is this MrShaman talking about?

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WKnapp

Apr-20-13 11:38 AM

I love how we can always expect idiotic drivel from Shameless, whoever 'it' is! 'It' never adds anything to the discussion and is always outrageously out of touch and ill-informed. Thanks for being stupid, Shameless!

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philunderwood

Apr-20-13 9:05 AM

Understanding the fundamentals of a subject and the ability to do critical thinking, benefit from experience, but are expected from someone with a degree in any field.

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MrShaman

Apr-20-13 6:19 AM

"I'm trying to teach my 13 year old grandson how to do basic math in his head. He's catching on, but really resistant because the school seems to want to teach kids to be calculator dependent. Frustrating!" - WKnapp

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When business-interests are MUCH-more concerned with beating competitors to the marketplace...rather-than concentrating on quality & integrity...there isn't all-that-much interest in what people can do "in their head".

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MrShaman

Apr-20-13 6:12 AM

"The frightening part is that the it has become acceptable." - LaughIn

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I've felt (pretty-much) the same, after it'd become "hip" to be ignorant White-trash...back, around the year 2000...CERTAINLY, since 2008.

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MrShaman

Apr-20-13 6:06 AM

"It was my experience that as I got further along in my teaching career that students were becoming less and less well prepared."

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"I don't understand..." - Bobbie2

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I'm fairly-certain that was the point.

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MrShaman

Apr-20-13 6:04 AM

"Anybody get the reaction of young cashiers in any store, when the necessity arises to make change without the assistance of the register telling them how much to give? It's hilarious and frightening at the same time! They're completely clueless about what to do!" - WKnapp

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Ah, yes...."These kids, nowdays!"...right??

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MrShaman

Apr-20-13 6:02 AM

"More hands on apprenticeship with local businesses would also support this move." - LaughIn

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AGREED!!! Germany surely-has benefited from (just) such a course-of-action.

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MrShaman

Apr-20-13 5:56 AM

"Engineering is engineering and many recent graduates aren’t adequately prepared to work in the field." - philunderwood

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Ah, yes..****panies should be able to expect experienced-employees...straight-outta-college!

That makes sense, to you, huh??

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WKnapp

Apr-19-13 5:39 PM

I'm trying to teach my 13 year old grandson how to do basic math in his head. He's catching on, but really resistant because the school seems to want to teach kids to be calculator dependent. Frustrating!

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LaughIn

Apr-19-13 5:06 PM

The frightening part is that the it has become acceptable.

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WKnapp

Apr-19-13 3:44 PM

Anybody get the reaction of young cashiers in any store, when the necessity arises to make change without the assistance of the register telling them how much to give? It's hilarious and frightening at the same time! They're completely clueless about what to do!

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LaughIn

Apr-19-13 11:16 AM

Our current curriculum at the high school level should be adding more CTE programs rather than cutting them. More hands on apprenticeship with local businesses would also support this move. Not all students should be pushed to 4 year degree programs, which by and large, ends up being a real waste of time and money for some young adults.

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fromtheport

Apr-19-13 10:38 AM

Well we got to start cutting cost somewhere and since all the parents are outraged when their kid cant go on a fieldtrip to the beach, or a class dance gets canceled, or the outrage when a sport is discontinued or the parents are asked to pay a little more for uniforms. We might as well cut cost where it truely hurts, such as real education. The suprising thing is there seems to be less opposition about this topic then there is when the cost of football uniforms increase.

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DavidBross

Apr-19-13 10:32 AM

It was my experience that as I got further along in my teaching career that students were becoming less and less well prepared. Also, they were less aware of and interested in the world around them. And I taught 4th and 5th graders for most of my time in the classroom! Kindergarten teachers talked often of how the kids coming to them had fewer and fewer skills and experiences that a young child needs to benefit from school. It is no wonder to me that many high school graduates are not ready to deal with the adult world. Generally, however, I don't find fellow educators willing to say these things publicly. That being said, it in no way absolves teachers from being proficient and professionally competent. I just don't believe that proficiency and competency are enough to stem the tide.

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philunderwood

Apr-19-13 9:28 AM

Engineering is engineering and many recent graduates aren’t adequately prepared to work in the field. To try and blame this on management is a silly way to promote your ideologically driven hatred of corporate management.

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MrShaman

Apr-19-13 9:23 AM

"I would agree with the other posters here that drafting is just a small portion of the vast amount of information that should be manditorily taught but isn't even mentioned these days. Home schooling does have some advantages!" - Tedeaux

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Ah, yes...home-schooling is LEGENDARY for it's emphasis & expertise, regarding ANSI Standards!!!!!! <groan>

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MrShaman

Apr-19-13 9:18 AM

"As a retired Senior Mechanical Engineer I’ll add that many college graduates aren’t prepared to enter the workforce in the real world." - philunderwood

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...Which SHOULD be expected, as...very-few businesses operate exactly like every other business. Even within engineering-groups, most businesses have their own variation on how things are done. The problems arise when you have "professional" engineering-managers...who HAVE no background in Engineering...being able to EVALUATE a new-hire's abilities/skills/need-for-additional-training.

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MrShaman

Apr-19-13 9:08 AM

"This is one of those jobs that Americans are less willing to do." - eriklatranyi

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As usual, you're (OBVIOUSLY) commenting on a subject where you HAVE no experience and/or actual-knowledge!!

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philunderwood

Apr-19-13 9:05 AM

As a retired Senior Mechanical Engineer I’ll add that many college graduates aren’t prepared to enter the workforce in the real world.

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MrShaman

Apr-19-13 8:48 AM

"Ask any employer if they think that the average high school graduate is ready to enter the work force and you'll probably get the same opinion I have: No!" - Frank B. Lundy II

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You'd be surprised at the number of employers (primarily, newer businesses) who really have no idea how to run an engineering department. From 1995, thru 2009 (6-1/2 years, of those, as a contract mechanical-designer), I was shocked at the number of them who HAD no in-house drafting-standards!!!

Presently, the "professional"-opinion is...a first-level manager (only) has to know how to "push paper" & manage people. Having an (actual) background, in engineering, is considered non-critical.

This Country hasn't lost businesses TO other countries. This Country HAS lost businesses THRU inept MANAGEMENT-structure!!!!

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Fredzz

Apr-19-13 8:46 AM

I couldn't agree with you more Mr. Lundy.

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-13 8:07 AM

Skills learned in these types of classes are indeed valuable. Since they are a medium of design and communication, it is helpful to be able to both 1. create them (on any form of media, even on a napkin) and 2. interpret them to construct something from them. Practical on the job application of both is helpful in the development of the person.

To this end, it would be helpful if the local builders, construction companies, gas producers, architects, etc. would host field trips where people were given drawings and then walk-down a project in different stages to learn more.

On the unfortunate side, much of the electronic CADD, Microstation, Smart Plant designing is being outsourced to "high-value" centers in India, Egypt, Romania, Poland, etc.

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rick424

Apr-19-13 7:17 AM

I took this course for three years, 1967 to 1970, I believe it was Mr. Withers who taught it. I have used the knowledge I learned in home building projects to making flow charts at work. I never could understand the logic of cutting educational programs.

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Tedeaux

Apr-19-13 6:15 AM

I would agree with the other posters here that drafting is just a small portion of the vast amount of information that should be manditorily taught but isn't even mentioned these days. Home schooling does have some advantages!

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