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April 24, 2013

In the April 3rd edition of the Sun-Gazette there was a letter entitled "Obvious Solution"....

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rmiller

May-01-13 8:10 AM

I've been there, done it...I'm from the "hippie generation." I've driven a vehicle, among other activities that I wouldn't have otherwise could have endangered those people around me. It is a mind altering drug, hence "impairment" in judgment, period. After, the Lord took hold of my life, then.....I realized the selfishness of my desires. Making something legal, does not negate the possible consequences of its risks. To flip the coin, if you will....why were cigarette commercials taken of airtime? Not everyone gets cancer from them and setting aside the dangers in second hand smoke, if one does get cancer, it affects that "individual" not another person. Yet, the alcohol industry is saturating the airways with ads. I personally believe that action is a direct result of the coming "competitor" marijuana.

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rmiller

May-01-13 7:58 AM

Meredith,

If something is harmful, why legalize it? Are the statistics you provide with respect to mortality rates from the NTA? Are you suggesting that accidents essentially are not the result of driving while "under the influence" of any drug? Alcohol is a drug. As for driving the flow of demand underground, then dig your own tunnel. (I'm using the pronoun "your" as a general term). Legalizing alcohol didn't make it safer, less or more available, nor did it change the destructive nature of the substance, it simply made it legal. There are millions of lives that were impacted as a result of "legalization". Do the ends justify the means? Do proponents of legalizing marijuana actually believe that those who use the drug will "stay at home until affects are gone?" Do drunk drivers stay at home? cont.

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Meredith

Apr-30-13 12:00 PM

rmiller, marijuana is illegal and more common than you would believe. Do you think that keeping it illegal will make it go away? If guns were made illegal would they go away? Making something illegal doesn't stop people from it. It just drives it underground.

"why do we justify legalizations of any act with this mindset?"

Have you ever read actual statistics or comparisons of the fatality rates of marijuana vs anything? They are a few justifications. The fatality rate of marijuana is 0/zero.

Can you give any justifications why it should remain illegal?

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rmiller

Apr-30-13 9:17 AM

Meredith,

" I agree that a person under the influence of alcohol can make dangerous situations worse. But that doesn't mean that alcohol should be illegal."

Just a question... what does it mean, then?

If it is a given that the absence of alcohol and marijuana would make a huge impact on lives, would that mean it should be illegal? Obviously, just a hypothetical and not reality, but why do we justify legalizations of any act with this mindset?

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Meredith

Apr-27-13 10:50 PM

USABorn, I don't remember any videos on the news but then again I try not to expose myself to such negativity too often. Anyways, I've worked in situations where a co-worker either came to work drunk or was drinking on their break and I agree that a person under the influence of alcohol can make dangerous situations worse. But that doesn't mean that alcohol should be illegal. Same with marijuana. It should not be tolerated in the workplace but should be legal and regulated in a similar way that alcohol is.

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USABorn

Apr-25-13 3:57 PM

Meredith - 6:50 PM

Remember this? Videos were shown on the news!

Workers at a Chrysler plant in Michigan have reportedly been caught on video smoking and drinking during lunch breaks.

Just ten months after revealing how some workers at the Chrysler Jefferson North Plant in Detroit spent their lunch hour drinking beer, another investigation found more of the same at Chrysler's Trenton Engine Plant in Trenton, Mich.

At least two workers told the station's investigative reporter they do not want to work with people who have been abusing drugs or alcohol prior to returning to work.

"It's dangerous," one employee reportedly said.

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CMReeder

Apr-25-13 12:25 PM

Shaman is not John, Relene.

Yes Shaman I do differentiate between legalization and regulation.

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rmiller

Apr-25-13 11:38 AM

John,

Just say what you have to say please...there is plenty of room for you to condense many of your posts to perhaps two to three...maybe?

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:56 AM

"Willie Nelson will be 80 at the end of the month and is still touring playing over 200 one nighters a year, down from 300 from his hey day and plays 18 holes of golf on his off days!" - jeff33

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...That he READILY ADMITS was the result of kickin' the booze, in-favor-of Pot!!

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:37 AM

"Ever had to work next to someone operating machinery that is high? Scarey and dangerous."

Yes, I agree that is scary and dangerous. However, working next to a person operating machinery while drunk is dangerous and scary too. Legalizing marijuana does not mean allowing people to smoke while working anymore than legalized alcohol means allowing people to drink alcohol at work. - Meredith

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Common-sense...whatta unique-option!!

Well played.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:30 AM

"Cheech and Chong record"

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or the fair and balanced approach of "Reefer Madness" - ToTEXASfromPA

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You always have options.

See:

True History of Marijuana Full Movie (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:23 AM

"I have to agree with Chuck (scary). Criminals will commit crimes. If we legalize drugs they will find another way to make money illegally." - enigma

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Gee...you must be a Criminology Major...as is evidenced by your "unique"-insight!!

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:17 AM

"Ever had to work next to someone operating machinery that is high? Scarey and dangerous." - Tgrammiex4

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Sorry...I've never heard of machinery getting "high"...or, a drug-warrior who was any kind o' English Major. I'm guessing it's alcohol-related.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:12 AM

From: Marihuana, A Signal of Misunderstanding (commissioned by DICK Nixon - 1972 - directed by Raymond P. Shafer, former Republican governor of Pennsylvania)

Chapter V: A Final Comment

"Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marihuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marihuana as a problem.

The existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug. To replace it, we have attempted to design a suitable social policy, which we believe is fair, cautious and attuned to the social realities of our time."

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 10:02 AM

"I agree with Spike. Marijuana is no more harmful or destructive than alcohol. Less so, in some aspects." - cheyenne

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Correction: In MOST aspects!!

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See:

Schaffer Library Of Drug Policy

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 9:58 AM

"Interesting letter but not completely thought through. You may legalize drugs but it will not eliminate criminal activity only decrease it for a time until they find something else. Drugs would have to be regulated like alcohol." - CMReeder

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Seriously...you're differentiating, between legalization & regulation???

As-long-as marijuana is regulated, just LIKE alcohol...where everyone is allowed to "make" their own...no problem.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 9:51 AM

"The "heads" have spoken!! All my friends who started smoking pot back in the sixties, and never stopped, all now have one thing in common. They are all FRIED. Yep, the wonderful side effects of smoking dope...." - JohnZook

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...Along with waaaaayyyyy too-much alcohol....obviously.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 9:48 AM

"I always thought the idea was to legalize pot and sell it in the liquor stores or some venue like that to control and monitor the sales." - johnnyad3

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That'd be the most-obvious option...not to mention a "little" ironic.

Imagine...selling a new, non-addictive vice...right next to cigarettes & alcohol!!!!

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spike2

Apr-25-13 8:26 AM

Erik - we know you NEVER did anything "wrong". You might want to research the local cost of marijuana. A "bag" of pot is cheaper than a case of beer and will last as long and no I don't smoke pot and haven't in 35 plus years. However, you can easily go to the prothonotaries and pull a case file. They are public record and read the cost of a transaction. I also knew lots of people who smoked pot in the past. I don't know anyone who is a recreational user today. I know two people who have medical prescriptions in other states and both are small business owners with legitimate health issues. Personally, I would prefer to see someone smoke pot opposed to alcohol. Kind of funny that no one acknowledges the physical and psychological effects of alcohol or the fact that alcoholism is a recognized illness.

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rmiller

Apr-24-13 9:50 PM

TGrammie,

"Mr Shaman:

1. I'm not a t- bagger 2.I see you still can't come up with an original thought to add and must resort to making stupid comments on other's posts."

And that won't change anytime soon. :)

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rmiller

Apr-24-13 9:48 PM

I'm not believing that presummably and fairly educated people actually are justifying one drug because another one is legal. Do two wrongs make a right? People are discussing the crime rates, drug use at work sites...uhhh...is anyone discussing the driving while under influence and adding to the already list of victims because someone wants to inhale? Give me a break, legalizing somethiing doesn't make it less dangerous or curb crime, it simply puts a spin on the probblem and now it becomes magnified.

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jeff33

Apr-24-13 8:27 PM

"FIRE UP BRUBAKER!"

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jeff33

Apr-24-13 8:26 PM

Willie Nelson will be 80 at the end of the month and is still touring playing over 200 one nighters a year, down from 300 from his hey day and plays 18 holes of golf on his off days!

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Meredith

Apr-24-13 6:50 PM

"Ever had to work next to someone operating machinery that is high? Scarey and dangerous."

Yes, I agree that is scary and dangerous. However, working next to a person operating machinery while drunk is dangerous and scary too. Legalizing marijuana does not mean allowing people to smoke while working anymore than legalized alcohol means allowing people to drink alcohol at work.

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Meredith

Apr-24-13 6:44 PM

"I disagree with legalizing pot. Its not good for the youth of America"

Well, like alcohol, legal marijuana would not be legal for minors. Legalizing marijuana would not mean allowing people of all ages to smoke it openly any time they want.

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