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Industrial explosion

April 25, 2013

After arriving home from work decided to check the late night news and was knocked out about another explosion this time in TX. A fertilizer plant no less in a small town....

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Tedeaux

Apr-25-13 4:55 AM

You know Chuck, its hard to like a guy that would kick a man when he's down! You take the opportunity to air your personal political opinions out on the deaths of 15 people from a state that you don't agree with politically. The smoke has barely cleared and already and you have found the problem, assigned blame and charted a path to legislate the problem out of existence! Your statement about the Unions is so telling. I wonder if you have ever traveled to Texas, Chuck. While Texas is a "Right to Work" state, I would imagine there are as many "Union" workers in Texas as there are here in PA. And that on top of fact that Texas is enjoying some our nations lowest unemployment figures! The place is literally booming with business! Yes Texas has its problems just like everybody else, but they're doing more things right than they're doing wrong. And here is a thought, being you don't like Texas and their politics, next time they threaten to leave the Union, let 'em!

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USABorn

Apr-25-13 5:04 AM

As usual, another Reeder LTE that is nothing but liberal clap-trap. He sure does like putting his ignorance on public display!

Great comment Tedeaux!

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VinceKnauff

Apr-25-13 5:40 AM

As always with Liberals, the answer to any problem is more government. But I wonder what good that would do when we have an administration that openly tells us that they can pick and choose what laws they will enforce.

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gavinf56

Apr-25-13 5:40 AM

They haven't even determined what caused the fire that caused the explosion and already Chuck has a solution.

Investigators have also left open the ruling that it may have been arson, what them Mr. Reeder?

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CarlHiller

Apr-25-13 5:48 AM

It is emphatically not the lack of regulation, these tragedies occur due to the lack of enforcement of regulations. Deregulation is a good goal, we do not need thousands upon thousands of regulations, just commonsense regs and enforcement of those.

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Ritty77

Apr-25-13 5:55 AM

"WEST, Texas - As federal and state investigators continued their search for a cause to the deadly explosion in the town of West, Local 2 Investigates obtained documents highlighting what some described as a "regulatory gumbo" when it comes to government oversight of facilities similar to the West Fertilizer Company. Records show that none of the five state and federal agencies that visited the company at different times over the years raised any concerns the plant was handling large amounts of ammonium nitrate." —NBC2(Houston)

As usual, Mr. Reeder doesn't provide sources or quotes to support his tripe; he just runs his mouth in support of bigger government and more spending because that is the Liberal answer to everything.

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idiottwo

Apr-25-13 5:58 AM

Mr Reeder, do you think all busines owners try and scam the system? They try and harm people? with all your great views and knowledge, please start a business of your own so you can test out your theories you hold so true. Would you create more jobs, have higher wages, more community service, the best union relations and a safer work enviornment than the current business owners? Remember, the more succesful you are the more jobs or said better, families you can help. It is a lot of responsibility. Its not just lining your pockets and short cutting people's needs. Go for it.

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Premier

Apr-25-13 6:07 AM

Reeder you make it sound like this plant was built close to schools, nursing homes and residential areas when these places were built around the plant.

For a plant not to have an OSHA inspection in 20 years leads me to believe someone {in government} was getting their hands greased. They had teams of inspectors in our area over the past years checking roofing contractor so I don't see them being under staffed. Let the investigation play out then comment. Remember "The police acted stupidly" comment made by our President when he didn't have all the facts?

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WKnapp

Apr-25-13 6:08 AM

The pillars of unionism these days are to make sure those who do their jobs well don't do them TOO well and to make sure the lazy and incompetent don't get fired. Federal regulations are all too often opportunities to punish successful businesses and eliminate small businesses by regulating them out of existence through ever costlier regulatory demands.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 6:23 AM

"This is what deregulation brings to the American public. Profit over safety. Rights of the employer over the safety and welfare of the employees and a powder keg waiting to explode on a community." - Charles M. Reeder

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BIG 10-4!!!! "conservatives" always manage to forget such instances, every time they get into one o' their "ALLOW THE MARKETPLACE TO REGULATE ITSELF!"-modes!!!!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-25-13 6:29 AM

"When Texas farmer Donald Adair bought the floundering West Fertilizer Co in 2004, his neighbors in the rolling countryside near West were grateful he had saved them from driving extra miles to Waco or Hillsboro to buy fertilizer, feed and tools.

I like him very well, he's helped me out," said William Supak, a retired farmer who lives a few hundred yards (meters) from a farm house owned by the Adairs, and recalled a time when his neighbor helped save his hay by putting out a fire

"The privately held fertilizer plant has been in operation since 1962, long before the homes and nearby schools were built, and the fertilizer was needed by farmers, they said." ---Reuters

Yeah some big shot, stomping on the poor and weak, crushing the union, and building a chemical plant in the school yard.

The EPA wants to slow down new projects and chase the big companies with deep pockets.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 6:32 AM

"You know Chuck, its hard to like a guy that would kick a man when he's down! You take the opportunity to air your personal political opinions out on the deaths of 15 people from a state that you don't agree with politically." - Tedeaux

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C'mon...c'mon...you CAN'T deny the "personal political opinions" (in Texas), every time there's an opportunity to trash the President!!! And, when it COMES to politics, VERY few people are more outta-control than those "Republic Of Texas"-clowns.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 6:36 AM

"As always with Liberals, the answer to any problem is more government." - VinceKnauff

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Hmmmmmmm...you're calling Rick Perry a LIBERAL???!!!!

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Premier

Apr-25-13 6:37 AM

Sham:"BIG 10-4!!!! "conservatives" always manage to forget such instances, every time they get into one o' their "ALLOW THE MARKETPLACE TO REGULATE ITSELF!"-modes!!!!"

Stated after taking a BIG 10-2 !!!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-25-13 6:39 AM

It would be best to investigate and get facts into what caused it before jumping to conclusions.

Was it worn out or faulty equipment, poor maintenance, lack of training, lack of operating and maintenance procedures, someone opening the wrong valve, sabotage, or on and on.

Would OSHA, EPA, fire inspector, etc. really have found any violations anyway? Yeah maybe a 50 year old stairway was 2" too narrow compared to code!

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 6:40 AM

"It is emphatically not the lack of regulation, these tragedies occur due to the lack of enforcement of regulations." - CarlHiller

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i.e. "Allowing The Marketplace To Regulate ITSELF".

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 6:46 AM

"WEST, Texas - Records show that none of the five state and federal agencies that visited the company at different times over the years raised any concerns the plant was handling large amounts of ammonium nitrate." —NBC2(Houston) - Ritty77

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Yeah...let's TRY to ignore:

"The Associated Press is reporting that the fertilizer plant in West, Texas that exploded on Wednesday night hasn’t been inspected by the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) SINCE 1985, nearly three decades ago. It was issued a fine on its last inspection for a violation related to storing ammonia."

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-25-13 6:46 AM

"Hmmmmmmm...you're calling Rick Perry a LIBERAL???!!!!"--MrShaman

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He is a crony politician. Donate money to the political campaign and you will get some business perks.

He is left of me.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 6:53 AM

"Mr Reeder, do you think all busines owners try and scam the system?" - idiottwo

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You mean...like our passenger-airline businesses...that USED to compare whatever safety-measures, with insurance pay-outs (driven by body-count, from crashes)...BEFORE they'd consider implementing any, such safety-measures????

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CarlHiller

Apr-25-13 7:07 AM

Shammy - Typical of a leftist, pick and choose what to comment on but never reveal the full truth. The rest of the post stated "Deregulation is a good goal, we do not need thousands upon thousands of regulations, just commonsense regs and enforcement of those." So yes, I am for allowing the market to regulate itself up to a point.

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CarlHiller

Apr-25-13 7:21 AM

No economy can be completely devoid of regulation, but there exist a difference between regulating for the sake of regulating and beneficial regulation that enhances the marketplace. Patents are a good example of beneficial regulation, as are regulations against insider trading, or regs against dumping toxic waste into a river. The problem lies in that we do not enforce existing regulations or those in power pick and choose what to enforce.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-25-13 7:48 AM

Mr. Reeder:

Has there ever been an explosion at a unionized plant?

Of course.

What is the state of OSHA's budget?

Over $500 million and rising.

Why wasn't the plant inspected?

It was, two weeks before the explosion. The plant was visited, at the owner's request, by Texas State Chemists to investigate ingredients that did not look right.

The plant had fewer violations than those of similar size elsewhere.

Facts are annoying....especially when they conflict with the usual liberal dribble.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 8:15 AM

"For a plant not to have an OSHA inspection in 20 years leads me to believe someone {in government} was getting their hands greased." - Premier

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Of course, you do.

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"In a lobbying disclosure on file with the Senate, the Agricultural Retailers Association clearly states its opposition to EPA regulation of fertilizer safety. The group listed, “Work with EPA to clarify their new Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act interpretation of fertilizer retailer to exclude facilities that blend fertilizer,” among its specific lobbying issues, adding that it “Oppose[d] EPA’s efforts to consider agricultural retailer who custom blend fertilizer as fertilizer manufacturers for the purposes of EPCRA.” [...]

West Fertilizer Co. was a retailer that blended fertilizer, according to a report from Reuters."

See:

Fertilizer Industry Groups Have Been Lobbying Against Safety Regulations

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SteelerFan

Apr-25-13 8:19 AM

Before reading the other comments, just more blather from Chuck. The Federal government has many agencies and departments that are doing basically the same thing, so there is no excuse why OSHA has to be understaffed or underfunded.

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MrShaman

Apr-25-13 8:20 AM

"Federal regulations are all too often opportunities to punish successful businesses and eliminate small businesses by regulating them out of existence through ever costlier regulatory demands." - WKnapp

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At least, those smaller-companies that still exist...after LARGER companies (who can AFFORD to fight federal-regulations) have already bought-OUT any "smaller companies" (i.e. the competition).

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