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The Gosnell trial

April 29, 2013

While the major media have ignored this significant story, Dr....

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USABorn

Apr-29-13 3:09 AM

Great letter Erik. Liberals can't tell you when life begins for a BABY, but they sure can tell you when it should end........ANYTIME, from conception to birth.

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Tedeaux

Apr-29-13 4:01 AM

This is such an emotionally charged issue with so many facets that it's easy to let your imagination roam into some extremely gruesome situations involving the deaths of new born babies, but sticking with just the evidence presented in this trial, this Doctor delivered infants in the latter stages of their development in their mother's womb and then executed these newborn babies even when it was apparent that they could survive on their own, if allowed too. Taking our que from the President's recent push for stronger gun control using the deaths of 20 beautiful school children as the catalyst of his crisis to steer public opinion. I believe Dr. Gosnell's murdering late term babies under the pretence of legal about should be uses un similiar fashion to highlight the 3,700 ab

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Tedeaux

Apr-29-13 4:21 AM

Cont: abortions performed each day in America. By the way, the abortions Dr Gosnell performed each day probably weren't included in the 3,700 legally sanctioned abortions performed each and every day here in America. If you can adjust your way of thinking to accept the late term abortion of a child just weeks or days away from it's day of birth, how hard would it be to convince you that old people in nursing homes are expense on the State to keep up and they serve no purpose anymore. The State should be allowed to cut their expenses by allowing these people to die by starvation or lethal injection. Afterall, it would be so convenient for those left behind to continue on with their lives using Grandmaw and Grandpaw's inherited wealth to live on!

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sideliner

Apr-29-13 5:14 AM

I am not necessarily "pro abortion " but more "for" the notion that the state should not interfere in a decision to be made by a woman and her physician. That said, few are "pro" late term abortions happening "days " before full term delivery as was so dramatically suggested.

Not every abortion should happen in every case. Limits should absolutely be applied. The case cited is not the norm and further fuels emotionally charged rhetoric.

The decision is now and should remain a private healthcare decision made by a woman and doctor.

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VinceKnauff

Apr-29-13 5:42 AM

Sideliner said - "The case cited is not the norm and further fuels emotionally charged rhetoric."

Why is it that Liberals are the only ones who get away with this argument? Whenever a Liberal turns out to be a mass murderer such as Gosnell, Liberals circle the wagons to tell us that this was a lone wolf and in no way is indicative of Liberalism as a whole.

But any time someone who isn't Liberal does this, you Libs and the media go out of your way to say that the entire conservative movement and everyone associated with it are to blame for that bad actor.

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gavinf56

Apr-29-13 5:43 AM

"The case cited is not the norm and further fuels emotionally charged rhetoric." sideliner

So why doesn't that apply to your argument in the "Doing nothing no answer" letter.

One could go further in using your argument by taking this statement from the same letter "No one has addressed why citizens need all this heavy artillery." and saying "No one has addressed why citizens, other than cases of health, incest or rape, need all these abortions."

Selective moral outrage is a *****.

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Tgrammiex4

Apr-29-13 5:51 AM

Gavin said""No one has addressed why citizens, other than cases of health, incest or rape, need all these abortions." " Because Liberals are able to see these as "Nusiance Pregnancies" and not worth taking responsibility for.

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MrShaman

Apr-29-13 5:56 AM

"While the major media have ignored this significant story, Dr. Gosnell's staff have testified to the atrocities perpetrated by this pro-abortion liberal..." - Erik Latranyi

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BZZZT!!!!

Sorry, contestant. This man's motives were most-likely profit-driven...making him a pro-marketplace "conservative".

Feel free to come back, next week, and try again.

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MrShaman

Apr-29-13 6:05 AM

"If you can adjust your way of thinking to accept the late term abortion of a child just weeks or days away from it's day of birth, how hard would it be to convince you that old people in nursing homes are expense on the State to keep up and they serve no purpose anymore. The State should be allowed to cut their expenses by allowing these people to die by starvation or lethal injection. Afterall, it would be so convenient for those left behind to continue on with their lives using Grandmaw and Grandpaw's inherited wealth to live on!" - Tedeaux

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Such scenarios already exist. They're (typically) driven by tax-cuts...in-deference-to for-profit health-care...and, that age-old American tradition of "Survival Of The Richest".

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MrShaman

Apr-29-13 6:09 AM

Sideliner said - "The case cited is not the norm and further fuels emotionally charged rhetoric."

Why is it that Liberals are the only ones who get away with this argument?" - VinceKnauff

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Because Liberals are NOT influenced by the Axis Of Ignorance, and...instead...rely on Facts?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-29-13 6:22 AM

We always hear from the Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Progressive, Liberal, Collectivist, Fundamentalist, Evangelical, Teavangelical, etc; how about what the libertarian/rationalist/objectivist would do?

"During the early 1930s, her husband’s family lent [Ayn] Rand money to pay for an abortion. By Rand’s choice, her marriage remained childless. During the late 1960s and the 1970s, Rand was an ardent supporter of legalization of abortion. She said that abortion was “a moral right which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved,” and that “An embryo has no rights.”

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VinceKnauff

Apr-29-13 6:23 AM

Shammy said - "Because Liberals are NOT influenced by the Axis Of Ignorance, and...instead...rely on Facts?"

Earlier, Shammy said - "Sorry, contestant. This man's motives were most-likely profit-driven...making him a pro-marketplace "conservative"."

You wanna read your rebuttal to my earlier comment again Shammy? When do you ever provide facts to support your blather? Or is it that you really have no comprehension of what you are saying because you really just recite random Liberal talking points no matter what the situation?

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USABorn

Apr-29-13 7:08 AM

MrShaman - 6:09 AM

Because Liberals are NOT influenced by the Axis Of Ignorance, and...instead...rely on Facts?

Here we go again!!!!! typical Sham omment.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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USABorn

Apr-29-13 7:45 AM

Horror!… Late Term Abortion Clinic to Mother: FLUSH BABY Down the Toilet (Video)

Today, a pro-life group, “Live Action” released the first of a series of undercover videos that show the horrors of late term abortion clinics. The first video released is of a staffer in an abortion clinic in Bronx, NY that describes the horrific late term abortion procedure and advises the pregnant woman to flush the baby down the toilet if she delivers early at home.

“If it comes out, then it comes out. Flush it. … if anything, you know, put it in a bag or something or somewhere and bring it to us.”

When Live Action’s undercover investigator asks what happens to the baby after the abortion – or what the clinic would do if, after the abortion, the baby is moving – the counselor says:

“If it did come out in one piece, it’s very small. So they would still have to put it in a container – like, a jar – with solution and send it to the lab.”

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USABorn

Apr-29-13 7:47 AM

When asked what happens if the baby after the abortion is breathing or twitching, the Bronx counselor responds:

“The solution will make it stop. It’s not going to be moving around in the jar … that’s the whole purpose of the solution.”

“It’ll automatically stop. It won’t be able to…not with the solution.”

Rose is calling on the New York state government and health officials and U.S. prosecutors to investigate the Bronx clinic and conduct a statewide investigation into other abortion clinics that perform late-term abortions.

Here is a link to each state’s policies on late term abortion. New York has an unconstitutional limit on abortion at 24 weeks LMP unless a woman’s “life is in danger”.

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USABorn

Apr-29-13 7:48 AM

The left would have you believe that Gosnell’s “House of Horrors” was an isolated incident but as you can see this is a mainstream problem. As long as our state and federal representatives and mainstream media refuse to acknowledge the murder of these innocent lives, the slaughtering of our children will continue.

And to think, liberals actually take pride in this slaughter!

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Tedeaux

Apr-29-13 8:00 AM

So Mrshaman, what are your thoughts on euthanasia as an economic tool?

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spike2

Apr-29-13 8:10 AM

For those who do not remember or did not have families in the medical field: Go back to prior Roe v Wade and look at the lives of people with multiple children who were poor. You don't want "Food Stamps", you don't want aid to families, you don't want abortions and you don't want birth control. You also want to ignore the years of self abortions, kitchen table abortions and the proliferation of non-medical "providers". people seeking abortions become the married, the working poor families, etc. This will not only affect young loose women or minorities. You really have no memory or can't see the forest for the trees.

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Darlin

Apr-29-13 8:34 AM

Great letter Erik. In a Liberal's eyes, it doesn't matter when life begins. What matters to them is the fact that they don't want the baby, so even if it is born alive and in a late term where it would live, they find it find for a doctor like this to kill the baby as that was the intent of the abortion, i.e. infanticide. Obama supports it and always has. Eric Holder's wife was co-owner of the Clinic where Gosnell performed these murders. Typical liberal thinking - go to all extents to save a tree, but killing a baby is fine as long as it is your "choice." Twisted??? I think so!

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VinceKnauff

Apr-29-13 8:40 AM

Spike said - "You don't want "Food Stamps", you don't want aid to families, you don't want abortions and you don't want birth control. You also want to ignore the years of self abortions, kitchen table abortions and the proliferation of non-medical "providers". people seeking abortions become the married, the working poor families, etc"

Couple problems with your Liberal absolutism there Spike. No conservative has said that they want to do away with all the things you listed there. So don't make it sound like we (myself and other conservatives) want to do away with all those things.

The only thing that most of us conservatives want to end is abortions. Period. And the other things you listed we would like to see a slowing in the growth of them or a reduction of them, but not their elimination. What we do want to see an end of is the way these Liberal programs become a multi-generational lifestyle choice by too many of the families in these programs.

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MrShaman

Apr-29-13 8:42 AM

"So Mrshaman, what are your thoughts on euthanasia as an economic tool?" - Tedeaux

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The same as (I feel, about) helmet-laws: "Let those who ride decide".

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VinceKnauff

Apr-29-13 8:45 AM

Continued - We also do not as a group oppose birth control. We as a group oppose the government paying for it. Birth control is readily available to anyone that wants it. A scant few Conservatives disagree with that. So stop making our opposition to government payment for birth control as us saying that we want to ban birth control.

I guess Liberals think the government has to pay for everything. And nobody can survive without government supporting them.

Sad.

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JohnZook

Apr-29-13 8:47 AM

Spike- From what I remember we were more civilized in those years. If you're old enough to remember, you couldn't even say the word "pregnant" in the movies. There were more stable families and a divorced woman was pretty much shunned. Yes, there were abortions, not like today, though. The stabilization of the family unit is the answer to this tragedy. But, as we spiral downward morally, I see no redemption for these United States any time soon.

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CMReeder

Apr-29-13 8:47 AM

Letter from a ill informed, venom spewing conservative.

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USABorn

Apr-29-13 8:49 AM

CMReeder - 8:47 AM

"Letter from a ill informed, venom spewing conservative."

Comment from an ill informed, venom spewing liberal.

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