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It’s just wrong

May 1, 2013

It’s wrong, wrong, wrong. Relationships between two people are supposed to be a man and woman. Not two men or two women....

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Judgeandjury

Jun-18-13 6:55 AM

I find it so silly that people actually try to have scholarly discussions concerning a fictional book. The bible is no more true than Harry Potter.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-04-13 5:25 PM

JohnMBower,

I am a wretched sinner. God through his mercy has provided salvation to me through the death of his Son, Jesus Christ. I trust in his sacrifice to pay for my sins.

Believe me, I do not hate homosexuals nor consider myself better than them. Jesus has offered salvation to me and I want to share it with others. I want all people to know and receive what He has to offer.

God's Word is truth and love. I hold it in highest regard and strive to accurately make it known; when it is wrongly portrayed, I defend it.

I hope that you will continue to dialogue on God's Word. Concerning the various ancient manuscripts and how we have come to know them, I would suggest that you check out Josh McDowell's "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict" sometime.

May God bless you.

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JohnMBower

May-04-13 1:26 PM

ToTEXASfromPA, Given the translations you have cited, it's obvious that you are seeking out interpretations that fit your political preconceptions. If you already have your answers and don't want to consider the fact that you are wrong, why bother with God at all? Sad, very sad, to see people whose hearts so filled with hate for their neighbors using God to spread their hatred to others.

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WKnapp

May-03-13 11:27 PM

check55

May-03-13 2:04 PM

So all hermies go to heaven.

No. Jesus said, "I AM The Way,The Truth and The Life. No one is received by The Father but by Me." In order to get to heaven, you must have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Period.

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check55

May-03-13 2:04 PM

what does the bible say about being born a hermaphrodite? Do they get a free pass on which sex they choose?Since it is impossible for them to be gay is guess they all go to heaven.

So all hermies go to heaven.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-02-13 8:57 PM

Chopped off.....

saints.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-02-13 8:57 PM

JohnMBower,

You remind me of a few friends that insist that I use the KJV instead of drawing on multiple translations/versions/interpretations. I love them and they still love me.

There are some 20,000 various manuscripts from a few sentences to complete books of the Bible in various languages of Greek, Syrian, Latin, Egyptian, Aramaic, etc; many of them from the centuries before Jerome. The various language scholars and translators have been able to assemble the verses from these to provide complete Bibles. Okay, so many of the modern English versions draw upon these words, phrases and sentences; what is the difference from what Jerome did? I am glad that we have the Latin Vulgate; it helps collaborate the accuracy of the other versions.

Through all these discussion of what is good to do and bad to do, let's not lose focus of the big picture and the gospel message that Jesus came to save sinners that believe and trust in Him for eternal life.

BTW, all Christians are sa

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JohnMBower

May-02-13 11:35 AM

No thank you, I'll stick with the Latin Vulgate. After all, it was written in the 4th Century, by a saint, Saint Jerome, in fact, directly translated from the earliest Hebrew and Greek sources he could find. The New American Standard Bible? ("American"? Really? Is that the one where Jesus is a tall white guy with flowing blond hair?) The NASB was written in 1995. No thanks. Find yourself a copy of the Latin Vulgate and use an online translator if you need. Did I mention that it was written by a saint? By adding in the parts about sex, they've tried to "correct" the Word of God. That's heresy, my friend. If you care about this stuff, do your homework.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-02-13 6:06 AM

cont>>>

men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. ---Romans 1:24, 26-27 NASB

Other places, Paul says it is okay to be celibate so that theory seems to lose merit.

The ************* was l*ust*ing

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-02-13 6:04 AM

JohnMBower, perhaps you can go through and rate the various translations and versions on their scholarly translations. You probably have a personal bias against the NLT. For you I will switch to NASB.

Also, it is good to read it in context since sentences before and after can give better illumination into a more precise meaning of the words and phrases. Further cross referencing to elsewhere with uses and non uses of words and phrases can help. For instance read the next verse where it talks about "in the same way........men burned in their desire for one another....." so this shows that women were similarly exchanging their body function. This compares women********for each other.

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing ind

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mikekerstetter

May-02-13 4:23 AM

New King James Version (NKJV):For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

Common English Bible (CEB)That’s why God abandoned them to degrading lust. Their females traded natural sexual relations for unnatural sexual relations.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

New International Version (NIV) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

The Message (MSG)Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love.

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rick424

May-01-13 11:56 PM

Wow JohnMBower, pretty impressive.

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JohnMBower

May-01-13 10:47 PM

Amusingly, that passage could also be read to mean that the women became celibate. Celibacy is contrary to the intent of the Creator as expressed in Genesis 2. If God really cared, he would have put it in the commandments. He was often pretty direct in those. Take for example: "Thou shalt not kill." That one doesn't get argued much as to his intent, does it? He didn't care enough to add "Thou shalt not be gay". Why not? Because he didn't have as strong an opinion. Jesus didn't care, either. He just talked about how people should love, forgive and help one another. If Jesus was alive today, he'd be branded a leftie and a liberal, as well as a hippie, given his hair and sandals.

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JohnMBower

May-01-13 10:15 PM

@ToTaxesFromPa - No, no, no, you've chosen a very loose, biased version to draw from. If you look at the Latin Vulgate, it says: "propterea tradidit illos Deus in passiones ignominiae nam feminae eorum inmutaverunt naturalem usum in eum usum qui est contra naturam" No explicit mention of sex, lesbian or otherwise. It's the "inmutaverunt naturalem usum in eum usum qui est contra naturam" or "Changed the natural use to a use that is against nature". This passage has been interpreted to mean many things, ranging from temple prostitution, to witchcraft. The NLT is considered to be the least scholarly translation ever done, biased, and, as you can see, with an apparent agenda. Find a better one.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-01-13 9:29 PM

JohnMBower,

Try this one......"That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." ---Romans 1:26 (NLT)

No discrimination nor favoritism!!

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JohnMBower

May-01-13 5:05 PM

I can't seem to find anywhere in the bible that mentions girl-on-girl relationships, so can we all agree that God was cool with lesbianism?

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MrShaman

May-01-13 4:40 PM

Shamfool- Everybody who is conscious knows that Beck QUIT his minders at Fox News because he had to follow their P/C rules on what he could or couldn't say." - JohnZook

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Gee, that isn't what the folks at FAUX Noise say!!

Any chance one o' them is LYING????

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JohnMBower

May-01-13 4:38 PM

Would you people prefer that gay people were living together, *unmarried*, IN SIN???

Let people be happy. If God has a problem with it, let God take it up with them in private.

Unless, of course, you presume to speak for God, whereby you are a false prophet:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. " --Jesus, via Matthew 7:15

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eriklatranyi

May-01-13 3:58 PM

I tolerate homosexual unions, but I will not accept them.

Liberals want the gov't to force everyone to accept homosexual unions.

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rick424

May-01-13 1:23 PM

" A gym teacher at a Catholic school in Ohio claims she was fired after 19 years on the job because her mother's obituary, published in a local newspaper, revealed that she has a lesbian partner"

"It’s just wrong"

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SteelerFan

May-01-13 1:10 PM

Sham: 'Easy, there, cowboy...it wasn't Liberal Progressives who cut Richard Poplawskis loose!!!!!!'

That says it all.............

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JohnZook

May-01-13 1:03 PM

Shamfool- Everybody who is conscious knows that Beck QUIT his minders at Fox News because he had to follow their P/C rules on what he could or couldn't say. And of course, you didn't comment on the success of my sources. Just more leftist name calling and ideological drivel.....

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MrShaman

May-01-13 12:46 PM

"The marketplace determines whether an enterprise will survive or fail. Both Drudge and Beck have not only survived but grown immensely with millions of supporters." - JohnZook

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Yeah...sure...that's why FAUX Noise JETTISONED Beck!!

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See:

Fox News Rebukes Glenn Beck, Reminds Him About Advertiser Losses

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MrShaman

May-01-13 12:40 PM

"Glen Beck loves the country and hates what the Liberal Progressives are doing to it." - SteelerFan

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Easy, there, cowboy...it wasn't Liberal Progressives who cut Richard Poplawskis loose!!!!!!

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Bufftrev1

May-01-13 12:39 PM

It is only wrong in the authors opinion.. not mine or an ever increasing share of the populace..

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