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Guns under siege

May 2, 2013

From the president on down through his Democratic supporters, all are determined to make firearm use and ownership as rare as possible....

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Tedeaux

May-02-13 3:04 AM

As long as we're arguing and discussing gun control we aren't discussing and arguing about the things we should be talking about and that is economy, national debt and exactly how the Affordable Care Act is going to work without anyone really knowing how it's going to be paid for. We definately have more important issues to worry about than gun control.

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USABorn

May-02-13 4:35 AM

Not to mention the fact that in addition to Russia warning us about the Boston bombers, SAUDI ARABIA DID ALSO, IN WRITING!

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JohnZook

May-02-13 4:50 AM

Sorry guys but I have to disagree. The attack on the Second Amendment is, at this moment, the most important story at this time. If we lose our guns, the rest of the Amendments go down with the Second. How can we protect the Homeland from all these other enemies, including some in our own government, without the Right To Bear Arms. Shall Not Be Infringed means nothing to some of our politicians.

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Tgrammiex4

May-02-13 4:58 AM

I agree with the letter. All the focus is put on the guns and not the people using them.Background checks and licensing will only affect people who buy guns legally. Criminals who want to use guns to commit crimes buy thiers out of someones trunk or steal them. Thug mentality is rampant.

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MrShaman

May-02-13 5:30 AM

"The president's obvious goal is to eliminate gun ownership history." - Phillip G. Miller

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...The same, as Al Gore & John Kerry...and, gun-shop/sporting-goods store owners have LOVED that sales-and-marketing scam, during the past (few) Presidential-elections!!!

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kiwifoxbear39

May-02-13 5:37 AM

So let's review. The president wants to be a dictator. Guns are not the problem - it's our "violent society". When I was a boy, we walked around with guns all the time and things were better. What to do? Um, no solutions here. Just creeping paranoia because life has changed from what we knew then, and the people in charge are "different" than we are.

Researchers tell us that fish can never stand still - that must swim forward or die. Since evolution teaches us we all came from gill-laden species in the first place, then I suggest this letter writer and his cohorts start paddling and face the reality of change - or be left even further behind than you are. Or you can just continue to arm yourselves against the non-existent "violent struggle" to come. I bet I know which choice you'll make...

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MrShaman

May-02-13 5:38 AM

"As long as we're arguing and discussing gun control we aren't discussing and arguing about the things we should be talking about and that is economy, national debt and exactly how the Affordable Care Act is going to work without anyone really knowing how it's going to be paid for. We definately have more important issues to worry about than gun control." - Tedeaux

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Agreed...especially since the next (up-coming) vote, on background-check, is predicted to pass, with flying-colors.

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MrShaman

May-02-13 5:43 AM

"Sorry guys but I have to disagree. The attack on the Second Amendment is, at this moment, the most important story at this time." - JohnZook

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No doubt. The weapons-industry needs pump whatever "life-support" they can manage, into that sales-pitch, in anticipation of "HILLARY WANTS TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!!!"

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JerryfromRI

May-02-13 6:34 AM

I was under the impression that it was not longer acceptable to discuss the second amendment in parts as John Zook has done.

I've been corrected several times for pointing out 'well regulated' without also discussing the entire amendment, as well as the definitions of those words as the time the document was crafted, as well as the notes from the time describing the debate, so as to fully understand the amendment and what the authors truly intended.

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rick424

May-02-13 7:10 AM

Anybody read about the 5 year old that shot and killed his 2 year old sister? I bet if his 2 year old sister had a gun she would be alive today. I agree with Tedeaux lets move on, it is such a beautiful day today.

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gavinf56

May-02-13 7:35 AM

Guns and abortion. Enough already.

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spike2

May-02-13 8:06 AM

Saudi Arabia has stated they provided NO information relative to the brothers. Check newest releases. I agree with everyone. Enough on guns and abortion.

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MrShaman

May-02-13 8:25 AM

"I was under the impression that it was not longer acceptable to discuss the second amendment in parts as John Zook has done.

I've been corrected several times for pointing out 'well regulated' without also discussing the entire amendment, as well as the definitions of those words as the time the document was crafted, as well as the notes from the time describing the debate, so as to fully understand the amendment and what the authors truly intended." - JerryfromRI

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Punctuation/capitalization appear the source of the present conundrum.

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See: (Text @)

Second Amendment to the United States Constitution (Wikipedia)

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The version (passed by Congress) could EASILY be interpreted as meaning each State (in the U.S.) would require "A well regulated Militia..", for ownership (by "the people") to be considered a legitimate "need".

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MrShaman

May-02-13 8:28 AM

"Guns and abortion. Enough already." - gavinf56

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Dream-on.

We've got "conservatives" (here), who are OBVIOUSLY dealing with short-term-memory issues.

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CMReeder

May-02-13 8:37 AM

We need to talk about violence not guns even though guns are used in violence and to terrorize. That will be one lop sided discussion.

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Darlin

May-02-13 10:56 AM

All it takes is an excellent letter about guns, violence and the control that our government is trying to gain by taking them away, removing the 2nd Amendment all in the name of "protecting the children," to bring out the lefty loonies. More idiotic posts from Shamwow and Chucky. They can't even bring a conversation to the table. Please go back under your rock and dream of your hero - Hussein Obama

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Josh84

May-02-13 11:21 AM

CMReeder May-02-13 8:37 AM*****"We need to talk about violence not guns even though guns are used in violence and to terrorize. That will be one lop sided discussion."

Don't worry Chuck we could always talk about one of these other items used to kill.

fist, automobile,baseball bat,brick,rock,stick chain,chainsaw,nailgun,metal tubing,plastic knife, knife,taser,letter opener,fingernail clipper,hole puncher,pencil,pen,bottle opener,book,lamp,vase,bottle,baseball,belt,sock,shirt,pants,pillow,blanket,picture frame,tv,keyboard,speaker,wiring,hangers,golf clubs,football helmet,insecticide,fertilizer,charcoal,PVC Pipe,Screw Driver,Lawn Mowers,Edgers,Hedge Clippers,Lumber,saw,utility knives,paint thiner,drop cloth,ceramic tile,glass,refrigerators,ceiling fan blades,closet organizer rods,fork lift,stock bin,chair....

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CMReeder

May-02-13 1:16 PM

Sorry Josh you can only talk about violence not what they use.

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Bufftrev1

May-02-13 2:24 PM

What do guns and abortion have in common? They're both legal..

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Ritty77

May-02-13 4:08 PM

Yep. And when they are both used legally, one still causes innocent deaths.

But when both are used illegally, only one causes a hysterical call for new prohibitions and legislative controls.

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MrShaman

May-02-13 4:51 PM

"Yep. And when they are both used legally, one still causes innocent deaths." - Ritty77

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C'mon...c'mon...it's been quite-a-few years, since my "conservative"-Protestant indoctrination years (mid-'50s, 'til '68)...and, I'm FAIRLY-certain there are no references to guns, in the "good"-book.

On the other-hand, "zapping" children WAS sanctioned; with "extreme-prejudice".

See:

Murder In The Bible

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Bufftrev1

May-02-13 4:58 PM

Hi ritty.. perhaps you are unawares.. I understand the point your attempting to make. But, since Newtown, various studies have come to light.. despite opposition from the NRA and some republicans, I might add.. that document gun statistics. I've heard a person is up to forty times more likely to experience an accidental discharge in the home than actually need one for home defense.So, despite legal gun ownership, deaths do occur. But, that's secondary to Row v Wade, in terms of your argument. That decision says abortion is not murder.. lastly, Liberals, like myself are appalled at the stories about Dr Gosnell and similar ones. To suggest otherwise is to infer all conservatives believe a rape victim should submit because it's gods will, according to the spoken beliefs of a few..

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MrShaman

May-02-13 5:04 PM

"All it takes is an excellent letter about guns, violence and the control that our government is trying to gain by taking them away, removing the 2nd Amendment..." - Darlin

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So sayeth the Axis Of Ignorance.

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JohnZook

May-02-13 6:13 PM

There's too much "interpreting" going on where there is no need. The term "well regulated" means what it meant in 1791, not 2013. Hamilton writes,"...a militia (the yeomanry and other classes of citizens to be under arms...) in a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training." Federalist 29. Deal with it......

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keith2002lhu

May-02-13 7:38 PM

Ronald Reagan, along WITH THE NRA, supported the MULFORD ACT.

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