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If you bought it, a truck brought it.
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Boobie seems a bit confused. Confusing political systems with collective bargaining representation. During my 21+ years of enjoying the benefits of "democracy in the workplace", I always got to elect my representation. Be it at the local level or all the way to the top national level. Never once was I "governed". By the way, they've now pulled at least 622 bodies from the collapsed garment factory in Bangladesh. Ah yes, the con free market utopia, where poverty flourishes amidst conditions we're told should bring wealth to all.
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" "Plant Manager Larry Vessels says the decision to close the plant is a result of falling demand for the heavy-duty trucks, not because of the impasse with the union." "
And, with that, I rest my case....
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Feces throwing Bobbie is at it again.
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"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." Rick Santorum "We agree!" Smart People
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Boobie2 seems to be perfectly ok with the Oligarchs living the life of Riley, but not some elected union representatives. Boobie2 = Koch Bros boot licker.
Tedeaux-"Labor Unions exist these days to maximize the profits of the Union.."
That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. The primary purpose of a Union is to advance the cause of the employees who make up the union. Now, as with any other organization you can have corruption and certainly disagreement among members and between members and officers as to the direction and procedure involved in that representation, but it is for the representation of the members that the unions exist.
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A step back and a look at the "bigger picture" may reveal some things about where we have come to in America. Most of us work for corporations, corporations that are owned by anyone that has the money to buy stock in that corporation. The stockholders can be Americans or people from overseas that have no interest in preserving American jobs. They are interested in making money off of Americans. The stock holders elect a board of directors and the board decides how to best turn a profit. If it becomes more profitable due to high labor cost or Gov. regulation to move the operation somewhere the profits can be maximized, the board has an obligation to move the operation to make more money for the stockholders. Labor Unions exist these days to maximize the profits of the Union which is diametrically opposite of the goal of the corporation headed by world citizens and not just Americans. In the end, the whole American work force will be starved out of the work place if we don't c
Yet that is not what was reported. Sorry but there are always 'things' going on even in non-union shops and I have worked both. Companies are not the innocents that you think they are.
Reeder, I know alot more than you about what went on at that plant. I could write a book on what I've seen first hand about what the union did there. That plant will not reopen.
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Premier is saying that the Peterbuilt plant in Madison, TN is longer there because of the union, strictly because of the union. that plant closed in 2009 and this was the reason given to the Tennesse Business Journal, "Plant Manager Larry Vessels says the decision to close the plant is a result of falling demand for the heavy-duty trucks, not because of the impasse with the union."
Somebody is lying.
Fortysixand2 has some good points. We have way too many people who are jealous that their neighbor is, seemingly, making out better than they are and look for reasons to place blame. He's right about Henry Ford's philosophy that in order for him to be successful he had to pay his workers a wage that afford them the opportunity to buy his product.
Instead of degrading union workers, public employees, teachers and all the others who you think is 'living high off the hog', why not look to improve your own lot in life. I guess it's just easier to bash others than to put in the effort to seek ways to improve yourselves.
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I'm not going to go through all the comments and make individual points. But here are a couple of points. Relene, Toyota assembly plants may not be unionized, but some of the parts manufacturing plants where they get their parts are. Your point about paying more for a vehicle because the manufacturer is Unionized doesn't hold true. Toyota is one of the higher priced vehicles on the market. Yes, they do hold their value, but their not as infallible as you'd like to think. I had a '99 Chevy Silverado with 199,000 miles on it when I traded it with all the original drivetrain. A co-worker had a 2001 with 215,000 miles on it with the original drivetrain when he replaced his. Both ran strong when we got rid of them.
And I've not met one person who, when they were offered a job said 'oh no sir, you a paying me WAY to much, start me off at a much lower wage." It just doesn't happen.
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Here's something to consider....before the GM tax payer bail out, if averaged out between all of the cars sold by GM, the first $10,000 of the purchase price went towards paying retirement cost of retired GM workers. Pensions that the workers contributed little towards personally. This lead to an unsustainable business plan, much like our current Federal budget plan that lead to the Government taking stock value from the stockholders at GM and giving it directly to the unionized workforce in their government designed restructuring. If you or I did something like at our level, we'd be bustin big rocks into little ones over at the State Pen in no time! GMs current economic plan will eventually lead them right back where they were right before Uncle Obama brought out the hot check bailout money. FWIW, I am non union and a GM man.
The unions were outspent by business interests by a 60:1 ratio in the 2012 election cycle. At what point do cons ever stand up for the underdog vs the Oligarchs?
Since when have auto prices dropped due to being made in Mexico or China? They are fleeing union labor, so we should see a corresponding drop in pricing, no? Hasn't happened. Reason? Corporate/Wall Street greed. It's an unspeakable crime against humanity what's happened in Bangladesh recently. Over 500 people crushed to death in a garment factory collapse. On so many levels, the situations leading to and enabling this tragedy are literally actively pushed for by conservative economic worldviews and legislative agendas in this country. Regulations, who needs them? They just hinder economic activity. Unions, who needs them? We can't stand in the way of this poor disadvantaged garment factory owner by allowing his employees the right to demand a safe workplace. After all, it'd be too much of burden for the rest of us to pay Americans a union wage of $13 per hr to make those t-shirts.*******unions wanted too much! This factory is going to Bangladesh where people have a work ethic!
I'm just thrilled to know that God has supplied all my needs through my 60+ years and I never needed a union to do so. With that, I must say goodnight, I have SS and church tomorrow. It's been nice bantering with you. :)
Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate that! :)
Again, I'm not anti-union, but I am anti-compulsion in any sort. Perhaps unions don't "just come in" as you speak to, but they originally had blood on their hands when getting established in our country. I believe people have a right to compete for the job market. I definitely have issues with the NEA, however and that's not an area I find wiggle room. You, along with millions of taxpayers have paid dearly for decades over their push and shove entitlement mindset with the power of the "bosses" and their lobby friends.
I'm not certain if this subject has been covered or not, but I'll take a shot at another thought with respect to our highways. As long as taxpayers have to feed, clothe, provide medical care and housing for our inmates, they need to work. Our highways should be worked on by what would amount to taxpayer funded dollars. Work camps are a thing of the past and if my memory serves me right, the human rights/civil rights activists played a role in their dissimulation. Again, I may part company with my more conservative friends on this, not certain. But, this is also a no brainer. Instead of working out "in the yard" they need to be working out on the highways and infrastructures.
Rmiller, my derogatory use of cons is just getting back for decades of deranged hatred spewed by Gush Limpjaw and others on a daily basis. Liberal is a good word, really! Look it up sometime! I'm not a bad guy and I don't think you are either. We could probably enjoy many hours of conversation without fighting. To the meme on leaders lining pockets... union officials are all elected by the members. They were never my "boss". In reality, it was the opposite. They get fired for not representing the membership. And unions don't "move in", but are by and large invited in by people who wish to install just a little democracy in the workplace. Unions are the people, not just some boogie man as portrayed by business interests. It's all a giant pendulum in the end really.
Forty, if this was a perfect world, which it isn't, everyone would make same wages. But, we live in a free society and we support individuality and success. That isn't a crime. There is however, not mentioned...something called common sense. If the company comes to me and says, "We have to lower your wage from $22.50 an hr. to $20.50 an hr., or we relocate to China, it's a no brainer. While union shops strive for clinging to the higher wage, some employees have elected to take the pay cut to keep their job. Unemployment doesn't pay what you need and even if it did, it only lasts a period of time. In the long run, what has an individual gained?
"Rmiller, why are you laying the problem of vehicles designed to wear out at 100k miles at the feet of the production line worker? They didn't engineer the car."
Well gee, let me think.....Oh yeah, you either put your money into your union employee or you put it into the car.
Can't have both. As I've posted here before I was in the UAW Local 1832 in Madison, TN. building Peterbilts in the 90's. That plant is no loger there STRICTLY because of the union.
"The world, not..they world." Duh!
You are attacking the messenger and missing my point. Unions had their place in history, past tense. They world has become too competitive and our global market is taking full advantage of our "unions." I don't care if you make $50.00 more an hour than another person. But, it should be about competitiveness, not compelling an individual's wage through political muscle.
I've only ever driven American made cars until we owned this Toyota. We will buy another one, and the majority on people that own one, usually buy again and again. American cars are not designed to last, period. Perhaps, I should assign that time frame of cheaper production, post 1960.
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