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May 4, 2013

The state road financing can be easily improved by eliminating prevailing wages and making the state a right to work....

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 5:06 AM

Another union basher. 1) Unions are a large part of labor regulations promoting safety and fair treatment of workers in this country. 2) Unions are NOT the cause of all the shortcomings you blame them for. Unions are people like you who ban together to improve life for everyone, even you, Mr Taber, benefit from union presence whether you are in a union shop or not.

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eriklatranyi

May-04-13 6:04 AM

There is no difference in safety rating between unionized vs non-union workers.

Second, why do taxpayers have to pay $25 per hour for a worker when we have millions who would take that job at $18?

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 6:35 AM

eriklatranyi-"There is no difference in safety rating between unionized vs non-union workers."

Never said there was. What I DID say was that Unions played a big part in worker safety regulations being enacted which made the workplace safer for everyone. Unions are responsible for a lot of stuff fought for and enacted in the past that workers enjoy today without ever being part of a Union. In fact a lot of you enjoy the wage/benefit package you have because of the perceived threat of a union or because your company wants to remain competitive with union shops. You don't have to be a union member to enjoy the fruits of a unions efforts.

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 6:36 AM

eriklatranyi-"Second, why do taxpayers have to pay $25 per hour for a worker when we have millions who would take that job at $18?"

Can you give me an example?

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:38 AM

The newly completed SCI Benner construction project.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:43 AM

The project was delayed for nearly a year as Gov. Rendell and big labor kept insisting on a PLA which kept bringing in the bids WAY over budget for the project. The PLA requirement was eliminated and the bids came within budget.

Prevailing wages were still paid for the project, but the union labor requirement to work on the job was what the PLA was about.

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 6:46 AM

gavinf56-"The newly completed SCI Benner construction project."

So, what did the workers get paid before and during the project? Does anyone know for a fact that the workers got paid more money while they were building SCI-Benner? Or is that just a supposition?

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:48 AM

The workers got paid prevailing wage.

It was the "union labor requirement" that kept bringing in the project bids over budget.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:51 AM

...and the state could have saved even more money without the prevailing wage requirement.

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 6:53 AM

gavinf56-"The workers got paid prevailing wage."

What did they get paid before the Benner project?

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:54 AM

I am not against prevailing wage requirements for state projects.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:57 AM

They got paid whatever the company worked for paid them.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 6:59 AM

company worked for = company they worked for

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 7:04 AM

So then it's very possible that they were already getting paid that wage prior to starting the project. I just did a quick search on PLA's. A PLA and prevailing wage aren't the same thing.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 7:09 AM

I know they are not. That is why I differentiated between the 2. One is a union labor requirement, the other is a wage requirement.

It's possible some were getting paid that much or more, but once the PLA requirement was lifted, most were not.

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CMReeder

May-04-13 7:16 AM

Right to work for what low ages, no representation, unsafe work conditions. The only ones to benefit from 'right to work' is employers. Workers get even less.

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CMReeder

May-04-13 7:27 AM

Where does he get his facts? According to a WSJ survey of all 50 states as to which is the best run to the worst, PA ranks 20th in the nation. So PA is not anywhere near the bottom.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-04-13 7:28 AM

Gavin56,

Just curious since I am not familiar with it.

Do you know if the initial "union requirement" meant they had to pay 'per diem' to attract sufficient workers to the perform the work? By lifting the requirement, were there more local people to draw from and a 'per diem' didn't have to be paid?

I ask because my company is in the early stages of developing a project and we are finding out the local market is projected to be so busy that there are insufficient skilled workers and we would have to pay large 'per diem' to attract enough. The project is marginal anyway so it could make the project an uneconomic investment so that we may not proceed with it.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 7:31 AM

I don't know about that TTfP, that information would have had to have been in the bid numbers.

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mikekerstetter

May-04-13 7:49 AM

gavinf56-"It's possible some were getting paid that much or more, but once the PLA requirement was lifted, most were not."

Since PLA and prevailing wage are not the same thing and the fact that prevailing wage continued to be paid, the workers could not have been paid less than prevailing wage.

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JohnZook

May-04-13 8:03 AM

Unions had their purpose at one time. We all know the story. But with the infiltration of "the mob" and now the Communists- "Workers of the world unite!", Barack Obama, 2008- Trumpka, Stern, Hoffa, and others, are the union presidents that are also part of a money laundering scheme run by the Democrats they support.

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gavinf56

May-04-13 8:03 AM

We are talking past each other Mike. They got paid prevailing wage for the project even though their company may not have been paying them that wage for other projects.

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philunderwood

May-04-13 8:05 AM

Unions aren’t responsible for all of the good things they take credit for any more than they’re responsible for all of the things they’re blamed for. To be objective, unions should offer something to attract members while competing on a level playing field with everyone else. Worker safety has at least as much to do with company insurers as union efforts.

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JohnZook

May-04-13 8:10 AM

Yes, I'm saying that our President seems to favors "the Communist Manifesto" more than our Constitution. On top of that, he is definitely pro-Muslim in his cover up of Jihadist activity in the U.S- see Fort Hood massacre- "work place violence". And the Dems continue their silence while the country dies. You're welcome to prove me wrong with facts, not opinion.

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MrWizard

May-04-13 8:48 AM

When I worked for a telephone interconnect company, we did the system installation at the co-gen plant in Humboldt Industrial Park in the mid 80s. The phones had to be American made. We were even blocked the one one time because we weren't unionized. (Our company consisted of the boss who also did repair work, his wife who was the secretary, two salesmen and two repair/installers.) The whole point of this story? ALL of the steel used in construction and the engineers were GERMAN and had to have interpreters with them.

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