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Prison sense

May 5, 2013

The cost to house a prisoner in Lycoming and Clinton County is $70 a day, roughly $2,100 a month, as costs in every category of living expenses increase year after year....

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Tedeaux

May-05-13 2:54 AM

The answer is simple Weldon, get caught stealing hub caps and get thrown in the county jail. No taxes, free healthcare, three hots and a cot! We're living large now boys! Honestly, I understand the issue for senior citizens but I also understand that if this bill passes into law, as a working class stiff, my tax burden will increase dramatically to fill in where your tax money use to fill in. You may have lived in Pennsylvania your entire life, but is PA the best place for you to live after you retire?

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mikekerstetter

May-05-13 5:32 AM

Ted, I agree with Weldon. Any tax based on perceived value of property is an unfair tax. I was ecstatic when the district I lived in got rid of the 'Occupational Assessment Tax' based on what your job title was and replaced it with a percentage based system based on my pay. Do I pay more? Absolutely I do. But a tax based on what you earn is a much fairer system. The antiquated property tax system is the next thing that should be changed to earned income for fairness. The elderly shouldn't have to lose their homes to pay for the education of children of working age parents.

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Ritty77

May-05-13 6:02 AM

If you own your home, $30 per day should be plenty.

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Don521

May-05-13 6:04 AM

Just use the all gambling money that was earmarked for property tax relief that somehow never made it there. It is being used elsewhere, where I do not know.

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Don521

May-05-13 6:27 AM

$10 a day or more goes to property taxes if you own a home in the right area of the county!

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CarlHiller

May-05-13 6:45 AM

Weldon is right on the money. I will give a little story on one aspect why we spend so much on a number of issues. Project Labor Agreements (PLAs) PLAs are agreements between government and state contractors that contain stipulations beneficial to unionized labor at the expense of non-unionized labor. Personally I am not against unions, but I am against unfair competition. PLA's require employment of unionized workers, use of union apprentice programs, and payments into union funds resulting in greatly escalated costs for taxpayers and create unfair and discriminatory contract privileges. In 2009 a $400 million prison project in Montgomery County, was built on PLA terms. Upon examination of the prison project it is revealed just how unfair it is. 18 different unions, mostly from Philadelphia, had meticulously carved out controls for every work activity of the project.

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CarlHiller

May-05-13 6:50 AM

The winning contractor had to pay into the unions pension fund, annuity fund, health fund, apprentice fund, vacation fund, welfare fund, and other funds. In total, a contractor had to pay over $30 per work-hour to these funds for all employees, regardless of union membership. There was nearly a thousand pages delineating jurisdictions and payments in this PLA. This is one reason behind out of control prison costs. There are others like incarceration of non-violent offenders, recidivism prisoners, extraneous luxuries, etc.

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CarlHiller

May-05-13 6:59 AM

Property taxes are the most onerous of taxes. I have always said once retired and on a limited income as the majority of elderly are, they should never have to pay any tax. If you read the Constitution you will find the clause "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" in the 5th Amendment. Since property taxes deprive some of owning property based on affordability, and property taxes are levied without due process, they are logically illegal. But government is never logical, it is force.

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CMReeder

May-05-13 7:41 AM

"The elderly shouldn't have to lose their homes to pay for the education of children of working age parents."

Previous elderly did for their children. Most children are educated through the public school system but what you want is a pay as you go. That education lasts you a lifetime. As a single person with no children I should have never had to pay school taxes at all using you logic.

The people in prison have no freedoms, they are locked up to protect society. Quit you bellyaching.

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Ritty77

May-05-13 8:50 AM

"Why feed, provide heat, TV and all the comforts of home for those who intentionally violate the rights of others..."

Without food, they will die.

It's usually too cold, especially in summer. The climate is controlled for the staff as well as the inmates.

TV means BET or sports (no hockey, no NASCAR).

"All the comforts of home" include: a 2-inch-thick mattress; cold, soggy toast; 30 or 40 men hairy, libidinous men using the same shower; being trapped in a 5x7 area with a gassy (or worse) individual, etc, etc.

Remember, many county inmates are pre-trial and could be innocent. Let's not misrepresent how "good" inmates have it.

Have a good day, everybody.

Talladega! I get chills.

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mikekerstetter

May-05-13 10:54 AM

There you have it..... Chuck thinks it's OK that the elderly are burdened to the point of losing their homes to pay school taxes on those homes they bought and paid for years ago.

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CMReeder

May-05-13 11:23 AM

There you have it Mike making no sense what so ever. They are living on property they can no longer afford.

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mikekerstetter

May-05-13 1:04 PM

Yeah, numbnuts, the reason they can't afford it is because of the taxes. It's probably hard for you to understand being that you don't live on your own and don't have to worry about coming up with all that money to pay for taxes and all the other living expenses those living on a fixed income have to worry about. That they can't afford it because of the taxes was the whole point, moron. You're too much of an idiot to figure that out.

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CMReeder

May-05-13 2:32 PM

Well dimwit they can't afford it period. If they can't afford the taxes they can't afford the house. You are part of the crowd that wants to cut the entitlements. Like SSI, Medicaid, Medicare. Guess what they really won't be able to afford it. Bottom line they can't afford it taxes or no taxes.

By the way my current living arrangements has nothing to do with it. You ignorant clod.

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mikekerstetter

May-05-13 3:02 PM

CMReader-"You are part of the crowd that wants to cut the entitlements. Like SSI, Medicaid, Medicare."

Really, butt nugget? Where did I ever say I was wanted to cut those programs? As usual you're talking out of your anal orifice.

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Garben78

May-05-13 5:46 PM

Remember old slick eddies reason for the gambling being legalized or did we forget already

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eriklatranyi

May-05-13 6:08 PM

Garben78:

Democrats always lie about where tax money will go. They promise this and that, but end up squandering all new sources of revenue on their pet projects back in their districts.

Of course, this is not the sole domain of Democrats as plenty of Republicans do the same.

It is the difference between conservatives and liberals that you see who supports endless tax revenue and who supports fiscal sanity.

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rick424

May-06-13 12:18 AM

"Really, butt nugget? " I will have to remember that one.

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CMReeder

May-06-13 8:33 AM

butt nugget! Well shiny turd you support cuts, what do you think they, the republicans, want to cut? You know there are wealthy elderly who can afford their taxes easily. Why should they not pay? Oh I forgot, they are rich I am just envious. There are poor people, who are not elderly, who can not make ends meet yet pay property taxes or lose their homes. Are you going to extend it to them also? Of course you are not because they are living beyond their means. Everyone needs to pay their 'fair' share. Right blockhead!

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rmiller

May-06-13 9:13 AM

" Most children are educated through the public school system"

Well, that is a true statement Chuck.

"The people in prison have no freedoms, they are locked up to protect society. Quit you bellyaching."

Yeah, the freedom from taxes and other such burdens imposed by govt. on our people.

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rmiller

May-06-13 9:20 AM

Chuck,

The letter writer is trying to contrast how America spends monies on those who would deprive you of life and liberty and or other heinous crimes to those who paid or are paying for a roof over their head. This is not about cuts. Quit using the liberal scare/fear mongering tactics. The individuals who worked and paid for perhaps decades for their own home deserve their tax base to be determined by income ratio. Get real. How many prisoners do you know that pay taxes on the properties they inhabit, perhaps some for a lifetime?

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rmiller

May-06-13 9:23 AM

A footnote of correction on my previous post....most children are NOT educated through the public school system.

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CMReeder

May-06-13 10:55 AM

"Yeah, the freedom from taxes and other such burdens imposed by govt. on our people."

They are also not walking about, driving, earning money. Must be those other burdens you chaffe at.

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CMReeder

May-06-13 11:02 AM

"A footnote of correction on my previous post....most children are NOT educated through the public school system."

Latest figures show that children are more likely in public schools than private, 100 to 1. Or do you think everyone is homeschooling?

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mikekerstetter

May-06-13 12:18 PM

CMReeder-"There are poor people, who are not elderly, who can not make ends meet yet pay property taxes or lose their homes. Are you going to extend it to them also?"

Listen, buttmunch, if you weren't such a dolt you'd have figured out that I said I wanted to get rid of the property tax altogether, so yeah, that included everyone, imbecile. Your reading comprehension problem is getting old.

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