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May 8, 2013

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WKnapp

May-17-13 12:05 AM

garder54

May-14-13 3:37 PM

The amount of attention and devotion you all put into a story book written thousands of years ago is crazy. In year 4,000 will people be arguing about whether or not Mother Goose tales actually happened?

Why does it matter how long ago the truth was written? Does truth cease to be true after a certain amount of time? The Bible is truth. Faith is seen as nonsense to scoffers, but to believers, it is life and food and drink. Was anybody ever killed for a cause they knew was a lie? I doubt that, because if they knew it to be a lie, they'd recant pretty quickly to save their life.

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WKnapp

May-16-13 11:57 PM

AmericanCitizen

May-14-13 2:07 PM

rmiller - "....before the righteous blood of Christ was applied to our hearts, to live out according to His glory, we too were a child of the d e v i l."

If you don't understand what a profoundly arrogant statement that is, I'm out of words.

It is not arrogance, it is trust, it is knowledge, it is faith. You perceive it as arrogance because true spiritual understanding is not something you have available as a non-believer.

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garder54

May-14-13 3:37 PM

The amount of attention and devotion you all put into a story book written thousands of years ago is crazy. In year 4,000 will people be arguing about whether or not Mother Goose tales actually happened?

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AmericanCitizen

May-14-13 2:07 PM

rmiller - "....before the righteous blood of Christ was applied to our hearts, to live out according to His glory, we too were a child of the d e v i l."

If you don't understand what a profoundly arrogant statement that is, I'm out of words.

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rmiller

May-14-13 1:35 PM

Know what's interesting on these forums? God has told us in His Word, that My Spirit will not always tarry." Yet, people gamble. You don't have your next breath without Him. No scare tactic, truth. It is appointed unto man (meaning you don't know the time) once to die, then the judgment." Death is no respecter of age.

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rmiller

May-14-13 1:33 PM

WeKnow,

"Ever learning, but never coming to the knowledge of truth."

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rmiller

May-14-13 1:31 PM

"ToTEXASfromPA - you keep calling my attention to Old Testament prophesies that were fulfilled my New Testament events. For the third time I must say that using the Bible itself to assert that the Bible is true is not a logically valid argument to me."

Herein is one prophesy that you will fulfill someday, either willingly or unwillingly (which will make it too late for you). Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." What other god makes that claim and has the historicity to support it?

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rmiller

May-14-13 1:29 PM

"I'm stating no such thing. I can't prove the Bible is false any more than I can prove the Koran is. "

Mohammed/Allah...the god of the Koran didn't raise from the dead with thousands of witnesses. Nor did he, or any other god (many made either in man's imaginations or wood, silver or gold, have life in them. To try and put a disclaimer to the Bible because false gods exist throughout all mankind, doesn't reduce the impact of the Bible. Not only has it been proven to be inerrant (by even skeptics) but it has been assaulted since its inception and is still here (to include burnings, etc.) I'lll put God against any imaginary other form of worship. Not because my God is bigger than yours (general population) but because His life, death and resurrection have been validated in my life, but to the skeptics, by scientists world wide.

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rmiller

May-14-13 1:22 PM

American Citizen,

We still sin, we just sin less. His grace is only applied to our lives through confession of our sins and repenting (turning away) from them. We become a new creature. The "spiritual" things we understand? That is the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives, revealing truths and convicting us of our sin, along with comforting us in our days of sorrow, need, pain. His "grace (unmerited favor) is free, but it cost Him a dear price. I'm fairly certain that not one believer posting here would suggest that you compare yourself to any person, other than Jesus Christ. We will fail you. He is our barometer, not mankind.

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rmiller

May-14-13 1:17 PM

American Citizen,

"And of couese it follows that since you HAVE received "spiritual truth" you are somehow superior to me? If you didn't mean it that way, fine, but you come across as extremely condescending. "

Why is it that non believers assign character assassinating to Christians? Terms such as bigot, racist, and your recent one, condescending? How so? How do we make ourselves more superior? We are no better than anyone else and before the righteous blood of Christ was applied to our hearts, to live out according to His glory, we too were a child of the d e v i l. "Even our righteousness is as filthy rags." If you "feel" inferior, that is not our fault, because you too can receive His forgiveness and then have the grace of God applied in your life. He doesn't even hear the prayer of a sinner, outside of calling on His name for forgiveness of sin and accepting Him as your Savior, period.

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garder54

May-14-13 8:34 AM

LOL Can't tell if the writer of the letter is serious or sarcastic. Either way, it was a good laugh. Man, there are some crazies out there.

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AmericanCitizen

May-14-13 5:17 AM

WKnapp - "....to the natural man (non believer) spiritual truths are nonsense. You can't understand spiritual truth because you reject spiritual truths. Spiritual truth can be discerned only by divine revelation, by the will of God."

And of couese it follows that since you HAVE received "spiritual truth" you are somehow superior to me? If you didn't mean it that way, fine, but you come across as extremely condescending.

At any rate the last part says it all; I can do nothing to bring about this revelation myself, it must be by the grace of God. Fair enough. I sincerely invite that grace into my life as of this moment.

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WKnapp

May-13-13 10:54 PM

AmericanCitizen

May-13-13 9:12 AM

ToTEXASfromPA - you keep calling my attention to Old Testament prophesies that were fulfilled my New Testament events. For the third time I must say that using the Bible itself to assert that the Bible is true is not a logically valid argument to me. What other book would you believe is true just because the book itself says so?

I'm glad you use the qualifier "not a logically valid argument to me" because to the natural man (non believer) spiritual truths are nonsense. You can't understand spiritual truth because you reject spiritual truths. Spiritual truth can be discerned only by divine revelation, by the will of God.

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AmericanCitizen

May-13-13 9:12 AM

ToTEXASfromPA - you keep calling my attention to Old Testament prophesies that were fulfilled my New Testament events. For the third time I must say that using the Bible itself to assert that the Bible is true is not a logically valid argument to me. What other book would you believe is true just because the book itself says so?

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AmericanCitizen

May-13-13 9:04 AM

rmiller - "Who is anyone (non believer) here or otherwise able to state with any certainty whatsoever, that the Bible is a myth?"

I'm stating no such thing. I can't prove the Bible is false any more than I can prove the Koran is.

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rmiller

May-13-13 8:56 AM

Wes,

"You obviously do not understand the meaning of the word 'omnipotent'"

It is perhaps the one of many wonderful characteristics of God that unbelievers resist. But, that is the natural man in rebellion mode, of which we are born with. Only two choices, a child of God or a child of the d e v I l. Both don't inherit the kingdom. But, both die physically (unless we are raptured). One dies physically, forever separated from God in a real place called h e l l. The other dies physically and lives forever with our Lord, in a place called heaven. Try to reckon that with physics.

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WKnapp

May-12-13 9:38 PM

Bufftrev1

May-09-13 6:04 AM

I'd be curious to know how wknapp thinks the gnostic gospels fit into the story, as they paint s decidedly different picture.. also, why did god need to rest on the 7th day

Why would I think ANYTHING about the heresy that is the 'gnostic gospels'? They're not true, not based in truth, and are, in fact, antithetical to truth. God didn't "need to rest" on the seventh day. He CHOSE to rest on the seventh day, as an example to us, reminding us that we can't work all the time, but need time for recreation and worship.

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WKnapp

May-12-13 9:02 PM

Weknow

May-09-13 9:21 AM

What about all of the other suns, moons and stars? Did he only mention the moon orbiting around the earth, the sun at the center of our solar system, and the stars in the milky way galaxy? Furthermore, how do you have things like daytime without a light source? The vegetation, that we know requires light to support photosynthesis, that was just growing

From earth, those other galaxies, suns, moons and such are seen the same as stars. Even the other planets in our solar system look like stars to the naked eye. God doesn't strive for confusion for us, but understanding. Therefore, since He knew that one day we'd discover the extent of His creation, He didn't confuse the people of the day with details they couldn't process. God IS Light, therefore, where God is, light is also. On the very first day, God created light to counter the darkness, separated light from darkness and created daytime and night.

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WKnapp

May-12-13 8:44 PM

Weknow

May-09-13 9:29 AM

If He made the rules, assuming they are the same rules(laws of nature) that humanity has discovered, studied, and proven to be the building blocks of the universe, He, too, would be subject to these rules when creating. Use your mind.

You obviously do not understand the meaning of the word 'omnipotent'. God does what He wants, regardless of the rules He's placed over us. He is omnipotent, which means all-powerful, almighty. Use your faith.

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WKnapp

May-12-13 8:19 PM

ScienceIsKing

May-11-13 4:34 PM

WKnapp,

If you know your physics, there is no way you believe in a "creator." If you do believe in a "creator," then I have to question your knowledge of physics. Good day sir.

Since when does the creation, in this case physics, preclude the existence of the Creator, in this case God? It is apparent that it is you who is unbalanced and unbelievably uninformed, sir. Science is a great creation by the omnipotent Creator of the universe. It is His intention for us to know and understand the awesome creation around us, so that we can better appreciate that which He has done for us. All creation is for God's good pleasure and edification, signs of His glory. We are privileged to be able to appreciate His handiwork.

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ScienceIsKing

May-11-13 4:34 PM

WKnapp,

If you know your physics, there is no way you believe in a "creator." If you do believe in a "creator," then I have to question your knowledge of physics. Good day sir.

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rmiller

May-10-13 11:24 PM

You have a nice weekend too Texas! Nice job on the prophesy validations.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-10-13 7:30 PM

"Prophesy is validated to the extent that there is nothing left to happen in our world, that needs fulfilling up to the return of our Lord."---RMiller

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RMiller, much of it has happened but I still think there are a few things to be fulfilled before Christ returns, like the anti-Christ, signing the peace treaty, the Godly spokesmen that are killed and then brought back to life and the seventh trumpet(depending on whether you are a pre-trib or pre-wrath rapture person).

I probably missed something or made some errors since it has been 10+ years ago that I studied some of it. Memory fails sometimes.

Have a wonderful weekend.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-10-13 7:18 PM

johnnyad3,

I was using the terms blocks, man, and creator as a relative comparison because they were used by another from a previous posting; they were not meant to be absolute.

Mankind does know God and through the Bible and the Holy Spirit knows what He wants. Because God knows how He created all things, how all things function and work, the extent of the universe, transcends time and knows the past and the future, etc., He knows far more than mankind. I would wonder if the whole of mankind would knows 1% of what God knows.

******

Did they go to heaven or h*ell? I don't know. Salvation is not through mankind's works and efforts but it is through faith. Did they have faith in Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for their sins?

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-10-13 6:54 PM

I agree that people can use word picture, analogies, their own vocabulary, their cultural backgrounds, etc to describe things. In fact, I John uses vocabulary from 2000 years ago to describe events in the book of Revelation that will happen in the future. Could some of these things be references to airplanes, space craft, rockets, etc.? Possibly.

However, the image that the term "iron horses" was trying to describe is real and not fictional.

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