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May 10, 2013

There have been a couple letters printed here about why the latest gun ban bill failed in the senat....

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WKnapp

May-12-13 11:27 PM

To what are you referring? Of course there are ten amendments in the Bill of Rights. However, they're all held together by the Second, because if that one falls, there's nothing to stop the enemies of freedom now in power from eliminating all the others. Try to keep up!

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CHayes

May-12-13 9:53 PM

I hadn't realized that the Bill of Rights only contained one amendment. Here I always thought there were 10.

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WKnapp

May-12-13 6:23 PM

I meant 'active', not in the sense of lots of voters, but in the sense of lots of protests and demonstrations, lots of opinions. So much important information is withheld from the public during political campaigns, replaced by half-truths and other outright lies and misconceptions, that an informed electorate is virtually impossible to achieve. When I started typing that post, I spelled 'tragedy' the same as you did. Then, I looked at it and said to myself, "I'm not sure that's the correct spelling for that word. I better look it up." Turned out it was wrong, so I corrected myself. You're typically level headed and open minded, Mr. Bross. I thank you for your candor and wit.

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DavidBross

May-11-13 10:20 PM

Actually, I consider the electorate to be those over the age of 18 who are not prohibited by law to vote. With that as a benchmark, I don't think our electorate is active at all. Rather, given the low voter turnouts, I think the electorate is apathetic. Regarding, "informed" voters, they come in all stripes. Also, thanks for spelling tragedy correctly, I certainly didn't.

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WKnapp

May-11-13 9:33 PM

And yes, Bobbie, we currently have a very active, but incredibly misinformed electorate, which is, in this era of readily available information, a tragedy in itself. Who are the authors of this misinformation? Why, those charged with providing the information, of course! They (the lamestream media) members have been indoctrinated to believe certain things and always report through that filter, using that bias. All that news is, is telling us what happened, period. We don't need their 'slant' on what happened, their 'take' on what happened, how what happened 'made them feel', just what happened.

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WKnapp

May-11-13 9:25 PM

If it came down to our ability to defend ourselves from an overreaching government, it would be a tragedy. To have to return to events and actions taken over 200 years ago would be tragic indeed. However, we now have an overreaching government, attempting to eliminate our capacity to defend against them, so which is the bigger tragedy?

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DavidBross

May-11-13 1:24 PM

"The Second Amendment holds all the others together by providing the means to oppose an overbearing government." Actually, what holds our country together is an informed and active electorate. Without that there is no country to defend. For the Second Amendment to be the glue that holds us together, that would mean we would simply be starting over where we were 250 years ago. That would be a tradgedy.

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Ritty77

May-11-13 12:39 PM

"Why is it that only Democrats are called tyrannical?"

Drink.

Headline: " "GOP tyrants threaten nation's stability" —LA Times, July 2011

A search of "GOP + tyrant" returned 486,000 results. For even more fun, try "Bush + Fascist." Over five million there.

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CMReeder

May-11-13 11:55 AM

Why is it that only Democrats are called tyrannical?

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CMReeder

May-11-13 11:53 AM

Then why isn't it the very First Amendment?

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WKnapp

May-11-13 11:51 AM

The Second Amendment holds all the others together by providing the means to oppose an overbearing government. Without the capacity to protect yourself, even and especially, from government gone wild, can the other rights granted therein be more easily infringed or eliminated?

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CMReeder

May-11-13 7:19 AM

"Why is it ok to limit my rights?"

What rights are those?

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CMReeder

May-11-13 7:17 AM

"There is no need for expanded background checks. The system is there and works.....as long as the gov't does it's job."

It would work if you would fund it. Which means people like you Erik don't want it funded.

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CMReeder

May-11-13 7:13 AM

Good post David.

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DavidBross

May-10-13 9:50 PM

"Support your Bill of Rights, and vote against any politician who violates them....any of them." The fact that the author didn't say "...who you think violates them..." shows a lack of understanding that what is a violation is not a universally accepted idea. That is why the Supreme Court exists. From what I have read about history and seen in my time on Earth, life is much more complicated and fluid than the author of this letter believes.

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Bufftrev1

May-10-13 9:05 PM

Trying yelling fire in a crowded theatre.. there will be consequences.

Try yelling he's got a gun in a crowded theatre.. there will be consequences.

By your logic, murder is legal. You are free to commit murder.. but there will be consequences.

Erik is just another lying conservative.

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eriklatranyi

May-10-13 8:57 PM

Thanks, Twinder!

Sidelined is just another lying liberal.

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twinder

May-10-13 8:02 PM

Background checks are required for all hand gun purchases but not long guns and no check is required if purchased from a private seller who is not in the business of regularly selling firearms

Wrong, sideliner. I've had the same instant check for every gun I've purchased, including an AR-15 which is a long gun.

A friend of mine just purchased a .357 pistol from another private owner. In order to legally transfer the ownership of the gun, they both went to a licensed dealer and guess what? My friend had another instant check performed on him prior to the LEGAL transfer taking place.

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Bufftrev1

May-10-13 7:55 PM

Lol.. feel free to walk into tonights 9:00 pm showing of Iron Man 3, scream fire once or twice and see what happens..

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Bufftrev1

May-10-13 7:54 PM

Hi Gavin.. lots of responses.. for the record, I don't plan on entering your home uninvited although I'd be willing to come over to watch an eagles game. My better half and I don't have cable..infringing, you are free to own virtually any gun ever created, the number is over two thousand, I believe, with very few exceptions. Not familiar with Jack Reacher but I'll take that as a referral.. not familiar with the IRS thing you're referring to.. adios, amigo..

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eriklatranyi

May-10-13 7:30 PM

Buff:

Yelling fire is not a limit on free speech.

You cannot interrupt a movie to cite politics.

That is because the ticket you buy to a movie is a contract. That contract means you will see a movie and you will not interrupt it for the other patrons.

The "yelling fire" argument is not a limit on free speech.

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gavinf56

May-10-13 7:27 PM

...and I will add Buff, this whole IRS thing perfectly illustrates why some are against gun registration.

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eriklatranyi

May-10-13 7:26 PM

sideliner:

You are wrong. Purchasing long guns requires the same background check.

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gavinf56

May-10-13 7:05 PM

Funny thing Buff, we are talking about this and I am getting ready to watch Jack Reacher tonight. My type of movie.

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gavinf56

May-10-13 6:59 PM

The sacrificing of a virgin infringes upon another persons right to life. My owning a firearm infringes upon no other persons right.

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