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First Amendment reminder

May 13, 2013

Most of your readers need to be reminded of the First Amendment, specifically the clause that mandates separation of church and state. Not everyone in this country is Christian....

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Tedeaux

May-13-13 2:41 AM

As an American citizen and the Christian, we do have the right to petition our government to make changes in our laws that fall in line with our Christian beliefs. Abortion is not birth control, it is choosing the comfort and convenience of one life over the chance of life of another. This is not right by any stretch of the imagination by ANY religion!

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gavinf56

May-13-13 5:24 AM

"...., but one bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch." - Melissa Brown

Hmmm, then the same would hold true for the 2nd Amendment, but something tells me Melissa has no problem with limiting that one.

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CarlHiller

May-13-13 5:37 AM

Melissa Brown - No where in the Constitution does it " mandates separation of church and state." What is mandated in the First Amendment is that government shall make no law “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Read it. It does a body good! Like abortion it's choice.

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MrShaman

May-13-13 6:16 AM

"As an American citizen and the Christian, we do have the right to petition our government to make changes in our laws that fall in line with our Christian beliefs." - Tedeaux

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I'd say you need to put a "little"-more effort into recognizing the difference...between "belief" & KNOWLEDGE. We have no need for a faith-based government. The Middle East has (already) pushed that "requirement" FAR-beyond maximum-density.

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MrShaman

May-13-13 6:20 AM

"...., but one bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch." - Melissa Brown

Hmmm, then the same would hold true for the 2nd Amendment..." - gavinf56

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...AND, the 21st Amendment.

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VinceKnauff

May-13-13 6:24 AM

I'd say you need to put a "little"-more effort into recognizing the difference...between "belief" & KNOWLEDGE. We have no need for a faith-based government.

If only you Liberals treated global warming that same way.

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MrShaman

May-13-13 6:27 AM

Melissa Brown - No where in the Constitution does it " mandates separation of church and state." What is mandated in the First Amendment is that government shall make no law "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." - CarlHiller

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So...you're suggesting that..."government shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise thereof."....the loophole that ALLOWS for a Theocracy????

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-13-13 6:29 AM

Advocating pro-life is not adopting a nation-wide, government sponsored religious system that all are mandated to follow.

Pro-life recognizes the rights of the baby/fetus/conception and says they are not less than those of the mother. The baby and mother have equal rights to life.

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MrShaman

May-13-13 6:34 AM

"I'd say you need to put a "little"-more effort into recognizing the difference...between "belief" & KNOWLEDGE. We have no need for a faith-based government.

If only you Liberals treated global warming that same way." - VinceKnauff

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We do. That's why we put a higher-priority on science...than the Doomsday Syndrome.

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MrShaman

May-13-13 6:42 AM

"Advocating pro-life is not adopting a nation-wide, government sponsored religious system that all are mandated to follow." - ToTEXASfromPA

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No. "Advocating pro-life" should be better-understood as "money, in-the-bank"...when facing St. Pete...right??

You folks are fooling no one...except each-other...in-deference-to the Clerics who rely-upon you for job-security.

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spike2

May-13-13 6:44 AM

You can possibly " end" the funding of abortion. You will not end abortion. You will not care as long as the woman who ultimately dies is one of "those" women. When it eventually hits close yo home you will care. Nothing new. This is how it works. Christian and citizen are not one. You are not required to be a Christian to be a citizen. The end of any chance for a great country will end when Christianity or pretending to be is required.

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wwhickok

May-13-13 7:14 AM

I do not consider myself Christian. I do consider myself Anti-Abortion. That's all I'm going to say on this topic.

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rmiller

May-13-13 7:39 AM

Wes,

Hello. Your post is interesting. Your empathy is appreciated for the millions of slaughtered children.

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rmiller

May-13-13 7:42 AM

JohnH,

" The Middle East has (already) pushed that "requirement" FAR-beyond maximum-density."

Then, quit trying to make them feel welcomed in our country because Sharia/Islamic/Muslim law is completely contradictory to a woman's choice.

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rmiller

May-13-13 7:44 AM

Hi Carl,

Thanks for once again enlightening those who would pervert the truth of the "separation of church and state."

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CMReeder

May-13-13 7:50 AM

"Hmmm, then the same would hold true for the 2nd Amendment, but something tells me Melissa has no problem with limiting that one."

You have multiple 'bad apples' with the Second Amendment.

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CMReeder

May-13-13 7:51 AM

"Thanks for once again enlightening those who would pervert the truth of the "separation of church and state." "

It is the right who perverts church and state.

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CarlHiller

May-13-13 7:58 AM

Good Morning rmiller.

"the loophole that ALLOWS for a Theocracy????" Actually Shammy there is no loophole, it is as unconstitutional to require a religion or create a state religion (atheism), as it is to not allow those who follow Christianity to not profess that faith in public or private, or to prefer one religion over another, as in the Muslim tyranny. It is your inability to think non-linearly that keeps you and your leftist buddies from understanding the true meaning of the 1st amendment. No one religion can be preferred over another, but that does not prohibit those of differing faiths lobbying for laws that fit in with the ideology of that faith, but as is the case with true Constitutional government if passed they must be within the confines of Constitutional boundaries.

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gavinf56

May-13-13 8:04 AM

A right is a right no matter how many "bad apples" there are.

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CMReeder

May-13-13 8:36 AM

A right is a right no matter how many bad apples. Just makes it rotten.

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gavinf56

May-13-13 8:43 AM

Our right to unimpeded movement throughout our country is abused by those who wish to commit crimes, aka the Boston terrorists, does that mean we now no longer have that freedom? Where do you draw the line Chuck.

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CMReeder

May-13-13 8:44 AM

Carl just dumped a load of bs. State relgion is atheism. unlike the religious right declaring that we are a Christian nation and that the Constitution is a Christian document and that we are governed by Chrisitan laws only. That is not freedom of religion.

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MrShaman

May-13-13 8:48 AM

"I do consider myself Anti-Abortion. That's all I'm going to say on this topic." - wwhickok

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That WOULD be the SAFE-response...seeing-as-how, an informed-opinion just might lead to justifying that position...and, who needs THAT kind of distraction???

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nobud74

May-13-13 8:49 AM

I believe the author is incorrect in her initial premise. The constitution does not guarantee the separation of church and state. Rather, it prohibits the establishment by the federal govt of a national religion. It is a small but significant difference. Abortion is the law of the land, it is a divisive issue and those on both sides tend to color it with their religious views for or against. It is unlikely that we will ever have agreement on such a topic. But, we can have civil discourse that may lead to a law that both sides find less disagreeable.

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CMReeder

May-13-13 8:51 AM

Where do you draw the line Gavin? When any nitwit can get a gun and shot anyone they don't like. When a child of age 5 can be marketed a functional gun/rifle that can kill someone. Who is not emotionally mature enough for something that powerful. Do you draw it when a instrument meant for protection is used to terrorize a nation, your own nation?

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