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Disturbed

May 16, 2013

I read letter on Friday, May 12, by a Mr. Hertel that really disturbed me. In it, he was arguing against the attempts to reform prison inmates....

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rmiller

May-16-13 10:07 PM

John,

I don't really believe you want to compare parenting styles, now do you?

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enigma

May-16-13 5:33 PM

I am disturbed by the irresponsible parents here who want the SG to censor letters so that children will not see unpleasant things, but have no idea what their precious children are being taught in school. I guess they trust the government to raise their children, while refusing to do it themselves. I agree that the things written in the letter in question were very graphic, but I disagree that SG has an obligation to print a newspaper for children. I want to see all the news and if it needs to be sanitized for children, then parents should do it. It seems strange to me that the same people who think the SG should not print graphic details because children might see them are OK with a 12 year old getting an abortion without parental consent. (scratching head)

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enigma

May-16-13 5:23 PM

Sham,"I'm always amused at how you folks, who've never (actually) "parented", are so "wise" to the ways of getting the job done. I guess you read-about-it, in a book, somewhere."

Sham is an idiot. Just because I don't have a seven year old daughter doesn't mean I never had one. If you had bothered to keep reading, you would have seen that I have raised kids. They are now adults who are raising their own children. I tell them the same thing I have said here. It is the parents responsibility to monitor what their children see. Yes some kids will sneak a peek at some things their parents don't want them to see, but it won't be the letters to the editor.

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nobud74

May-16-13 4:50 PM

Yeah...we wouldn't want to make Life so difficult (for you folks who require a carnage-"fix"), that you'd have to put-out extra-buck$ for an issue o' The National Enquirer. --Shammy

The turd speaks, we should all grovel in his omniscient presence.

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USABorn

May-16-13 4:47 PM

MrShaman - 1:44 PM

"I'm always amused at how you folks, who've never (actually) "parented", are so "wise" to the ways of getting the job done. I guess you read-about-it, in a book, somewhere."

"I'm always amused at how you men, who've never (actually) "had a baby", are so "wise" on the pushing of abortion. I guess you read-about-it, in a book, somewhere."

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spike2

May-16-13 4:38 PM

forget quotes prior to Roberta and after make

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spike2

May-16-13 4:37 PM

I believe this is the case. The "facts" presented in the letter in question are incorrect. This remains a cold case. You can google her name and read if you wish.Roberta "Robin" Elam was not actually a nun yet the day she was brutally murdered on June 13, 1977. The twenty-six-year-old woman was a pre-novitiate candidate. She was preparing a silent retreat at the "Mother House" by the order she intended to join for a life in Christ. Roberta was reportedly by herself in the field by the convent for the Sisters of Mt. St. Joseph to contemplate the commitment she was about to make.

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Tedeaux

May-16-13 3:48 PM

On the subject of kids, I have 5 kids of my own and 3 step kids that I helped raise with my wife. They range in age from 7 to 32 years old and are eight widely differing personalities. If I've learned anything about being a parent, it is that parenting is not an exact science and you can just do the best you can. My older kids have had their troubles but they managed to muddle through without becoming drug addicted murderers (that I know of anyway!) Would I change anything about my parenting from those days of parenting? You bet and I do parent differently now a days but censoring every word that my kids read isn't something I think I need to do at this point.

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MrShaman

May-16-13 1:56 PM

"Tedeaux, My kids grew up at the beginning of the internet age, before there were so many tools available to parents to limit access. I still managed to oversee what they saw." - enigma

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Of course, you did....

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MrShaman

May-16-13 1:49 PM

"I beg to differ with you Enigma, but I actually do have a seven year old daughter that does occassionally read the news paper. I'd love to say that I am the model parent that you describe in your response, but in fact, in today's electronic age, I don't think any parent fits the bill." - Tedeaux

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I'm guessing MOST people (who can recall their early-years of doing "end-arounds" on their parents) recognize such tactics existed long-before the present electronic-age.

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MrShaman

May-16-13 1:44 PM

"Tedeaux, If I had a seven year old daughter, she would never read anything before I did. It's called parenting." - enigma

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LOL!!!!!! The operative-word (here) is "If"!!!

I'm always amused at how you folks, who've never (actually) "parented", are so "wise" to the ways of getting the job done. I guess you read-about-it, in a book, somewhere.

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enigma

May-16-13 1:38 PM

Tedeaux, My kids grew up at the beginning of the internet age, before there were so many tools available to parents to limit access. I still managed to oversee what they saw. Your excuses are just excuses to me. There will be things that kids should not see and it's your responsibility to keep them from it. If you want someone else to make it unavailable, it will also be unavailable to you. The writer of that letter wanted you to know the full impact. If you don't want your seven year old to read it, use a marker.

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MrShaman

May-16-13 1:34 PM

"Mr. Shulski the paper is like your TV, it has an off button. That off button is you turning the page if you don't like what you see." - nobud74

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Yeah...we wouldn't want to make Life so difficult (for you folks who require a carnage-"fix"), that you'd have to put-out extra-buck$ for an issue o' The National Enquirer.

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enigma

May-16-13 1:33 PM

Sham,"I'd always assumed (based on nothing, really) that the S-G would act as just such a "firewall"."

If they did that Sham, none of your posts here would be allowed.

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MrShaman

May-16-13 1:28 PM

"Maybe people should check their veracity of their evidence before they just spew it out there." - Michael Shulski

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I'd always assumed (based on nothing, really) that the S-G would act as just such a "firewall".

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Tedeaux

May-16-13 1:24 PM

I beg to differ with you Enigma, but I actually do have a seven year old daughter that does occassionally read the news paper. I'd love to say that I am the model parent that you describe in your response, but in fact, in today's electronic age, I don't think any parent fits the bill. What you read in the Sun Gazette represents who we are in Williamsport to the rest of the world. Using a little restraint when describing graphic situations may be old school, but maybe the old folks had a good reason for it to be that way. This isn't the National Enquirer.

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KrazyK

May-16-13 1:09 PM

Mr. Hertel's graphic descriptions were out of line. You don't see that degree of detail in any news reports. It should not have been printed.

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enigma

May-16-13 12:12 PM

Tedeaux, If I had a seven year old daughter, she would never read anything before I did. It's called parenting. Not to worry, anyone who isn't smart enough to filter what their children see is not smart enough to have a seven year old who reads the paper. Also, no seven year old should understand what was said in that letter. Having a seven year old who knows about such things is a form of child abuse. I understand your confusion because sometimes it seems like the letters are written by seven year olds, but they're not. I'm sure that you can count the number of seven year olds that read the paper on the fingers of no hands. You can debate whether that one sentence should have been edited or not, but let's not go to the ridiculous argument of the seven year old reader.

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Tedeaux

May-16-13 10:44 AM

Would it be OK with you Enigma if your 7 year old daughter picked up the Sun Gazette and read a letter to the editor that was straight out of Penthouse Forum magazine? Besides, we've all seen how a well written letter to the editor can get hacked down to kindergarten speak. Why the offending letter wasn't edited to remove the one particularly graphic sentence, is puzzling to me.

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enigma

May-16-13 9:22 AM

Absolutely, there should never be anything in the paper that upsets anyone. Idiots! Agreed the referenced letter was poorly written and unnecessarily graphic, but to ask the paper not to print it is asinine. Maybe they shouldn't print any letter that you don't like. Maybe they shouldn't have printed this one because stupidity offends me. Get a clue!

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nobud74

May-16-13 8:45 AM

Mr. Shulski the paper is like your TV, it has an off button. That off button is you turning the page if you don't like what you see.

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spike2

May-16-13 7:56 AM

I also agree. I can not find any Pa. case that matches his offensive "description". I truly hope he is retired. The idea of this man supervising women in a facility is disturbing.

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Tedeaux

May-16-13 2:21 AM

I whole heartedly agree with you Mr. Shulski.

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