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Returning to prison

May 23, 2013

Hundred of thousands of prisoners are released on parole or on probation every year, but the majority of them will return to incarceration in less than three years, and this will cost taxpayers tens......

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Tgrammiex4

May-23-13 5:20 AM

Life is full of choices.The convicted felons you speak of CHOSE to break the law.If thier futures are limited after they are reased they have no one to blame but themselves. These days it's hard for a person without a criminal record to find a job, now you want to mandate that employers must hire these felons? Many have to create thier own jobs these days to survive.There ARE ways to make money that don't require selling drugs. I find it hard to feel sorry for these people who chose to break the law.

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Tgrammiex4

May-23-13 5:20 AM

released*

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Tedeaux

May-23-13 5:37 AM

I am with Grammie on this one. Life is hard enough for law abiding people these days that we don't need to start making life easier on the ex-cons with welfare hand outs.

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eriklatranyi

May-23-13 7:12 AM

The liberal mentality of rewarding criminals in exchange for their votes continues.

If you break our immigration laws, we will make you citizens.

If you break our theft laws, we will give you benefits.

If you are a convicted felon, we will restore your voting rights.

If you break our tax laws (Tim Geithner) we will make you Secretary of Treasury.

This is just another effort to secure more votes for liberalism on the backs of decent, honest, hard-working citizens.

Meanwhile, citizens who oppose liberalism are subjected to IRS delays, harassment and demands for the contents of their prayers. Reporters who question liberal gov't are harassed and accused of being flight risks.

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rick424

May-23-13 7:46 AM

Here is an idea for you on the right. Have a private company purchase lots of land so they can charge "hunters". This way when those criminals are freed they can be put on this land and you guys could hunt them with your guns. Kind of kills three birds with one stone. The company makes money (of course they will need tax dollars to start and tax credits to continue) and we rid ourselves of those pesky criminals, oh I forgot, you get to use your guns. Have a nice day!

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 7:52 AM

Rick - you are an idiot.

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rick424

May-23-13 7:53 AM

Read the comments from the right and tell me who the idiot is.

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 7:53 AM

Grammie has it right. Actions have consequences. This letter makes it sound like the felon is somehow not responsible for the criminal act that put him in the system to begin with.

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 7:55 AM

Sorry Rick - your hunting camp idea won the dunce cap for today. No way to get below that one.

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 7:59 AM

Better yet, Rick - pick any comment from the right here and explain why you think it is more stupid than yours. Perhaps you can start with Erik's. But remember, like Perry Mason said, truth is a valid defense against slander. Good luck finding anything untrue in his comment.

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 8:01 AM

For the record - PA law on felons voting is that a felon can re-register to vote once he has been discharged from the penal system (completed his parole or probation).

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CMReeder

May-23-13 8:33 AM

Why does it happen? They broke probation.

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enigma

May-23-13 8:37 AM

David gives us only two choices. Have he government steal our money at gunpoint to give to these criminals or have the criminal steal it himself. Unfortunately, his premise that criminals commit crimes because they can't get a job is wrong. Criminals commit crimes because they are criminals. The real answer is to stop raising criminals. For decades now we have been teaching children that they are somehow more important than everybody else and when the grow up, they act this out. They believe they are entitled to whatever they want. If we don't give it to them, the take it. We need to get back to teaching the good old American work ethic. We will always have criminals, but we don't have to encourage them.

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enigma

May-23-13 8:39 AM

Rick424, So you think we should hunt criminals like wild animals? And you think the right is wacko.

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spike2

May-23-13 9:21 AM

Individuals from Pa. can vote after release from prison, not after completion of supervision. I think most are thinking of major felonies in their comments. You might want to look at Pa.'s classification of crimes. Do you really want people who are 18 or 19, sold a felony grade amount of marijuana to basically never be employable? Do you want a D.U.I. who had an injured passenger ( now charged as Agg. Assault with a Motor Vehicle, to not be employable? I think there are many felony classifications that most are not aware of. We all think of murder, rape, robbery and major drug crimes immediately. Truth is there are a lot more crimes that carry sentences. Wouldn't it be helpful to keep inmates employed while incarcerated(think back to when inmates made our license plates) and not pay outside wages but to have some kind of a check upon release? This produces a service at a lower cost and eliminates the need for a subsidy upon release.

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philunderwood

May-23-13 9:44 AM

People who’ve done time aren’t unemployable. What they choose to make of themselves upon release is entirely up to them. They may have to take an entry-level job, they can return to school, get experience at a trade, or start a small business. I’ve known of some that have done all of the above. First they have to accept that they did the wrong thing and work all the harder to set things right again.

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 9:50 AM

Some people use a brush with the law to straighten themselves out. Other people react to an arrest as if the system is out to get them. When one gets in trouble it is up to them to either learn from it, accept that what they did was wrong and actually get rehabilitated or they can do the opposite.

I speak from experience on this, and on the voting rights statement I made earlier. I used a felony conviction 33 years ago to straighten myself out.

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SteelerFan

May-23-13 10:28 AM

good for you Vince!! :-)

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spike2

May-23-13 11:59 AM

Nice personal share Vince!

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VinceKnauff

May-23-13 12:41 PM

Most everyone I know personally knows this about me. I usually say that getting arrested (actually) 31 years ago was the best thing that has happened to me. Taught me a heck of a lesson.

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Shulski

May-23-13 1:01 PM

There are some good comments here. However, one important point that more conservative leaning members should pick up on is the simple fact that it is much more costly to keep people in jail than it is to have them come out, behave themselves, and even live off of disability. It's literally cheaper to have them on disability than in prison. Now, if they are breaking laws, especially property laws, they could cost taxpayers more money by NOT being imprisoned. Criminal activity itself can have a cost on taxpayers for more policing etc.

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Shulski

May-23-13 1:07 PM

One additional fact, briefly mentioned below, needs to be corrected. There is now more prison labor than there ever has been in US history. A recent article in the Huffington Post points out that it's correlated with unemployment in general. Now, the guys at the local PRC Center get 30 cents an hour to work at the landfill. I heard it's awful work. I don't have necessary issue that they pay them so little. My problem is that many get stuck there till they actually max out their sentences or find jobs in work release. The men who max out their sentences are often there for petty violations and don't have a "home plan" to be released. People who leave prison with no place to go and no money are very likely to offend again. They also get very angry at society and this makes it hard for them to think rationally and reform their ways. Just saying. Do some research and don't attack my evidence before you do. Please.

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eriklatranyi

May-23-13 1:30 PM

The question is not if the cost of prison is more/less than the cost of social welfare.

Neither should be acceptable to society.

If a repeat offender cannot be rehabilitated into an honest citizen, then the system has failed.

If a repeat welfare recipient cannot be coached into an honest citizen, then the system has failed.

This is what liberals do not understand about conservatism. They think we want no social welfare.

Actually, we want a nation where there are no citizens who need social welfare.

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philunderwood

May-23-13 2:17 PM

Erik, I wouldn’t say the system has failed if an individual doesn’t make the right choices.

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eriklatranyi

May-23-13 3:22 PM

Phil:

I do not disagree, but if we looked at the issue from a point-of-view that the system is the problem before the individual, then these programs might get better and more effective rather than bigger and more useless.

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