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Appalled at advice

May 25, 2013

In regard to George Lockett's letter "Way off base," which appeared in the May 19, 2013 edition of the Sun- Gazette, I was appalled at his advice to the letter writer to mend her wayward ways and......

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rmiller

May-27-13 1:02 PM

Hayes,

"Have I mentioned lately Carl that there isn't a single day I'm not thankful you aren't an elected official in the state of PA?"

Your constant and attempts at belittling someone are old, Chris. Carl is twice the person you are in character, you might want to take notes. And, perhaps you might want to hit the abuse button a few more times to assuage your liberal conscience.

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CarlHiller

May-27-13 5:48 AM

"Perhaps that is why Mr Hiller doesn't hold office because HE doesn't understand how government works." Oh believe me I know very explicitly how government by 2 parties works.

The only reason I have not been elected was because I won't sell my soul to any party, person or the devil himself. I have been offered a number of positions, if I wanted them. I could have had more than enough funding to win the last Rep election but, I will not and never will run just because a party says it's my time or that they will fund my election for certain things. I know very well how government and politics works.

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mikekerstetter

May-27-13 5:25 AM

GoBB62, I replied to Melissa's post you reference with a quote from her and the question 'are we back to this argument?' and my comment was removed. In fairness, though, so was Melissa's from what I see.

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GoBB62

May-27-13 1:15 AM

What I should've said was: On comment sections on other websites I've seen, when the initial comment is made, replies are usually indented to show what the commenter is responding to and so on.

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GoBB62

May-27-13 1:08 AM

rmiller, this forum could stand a lot of improvement. And I mean A LOT! When someone responds to a comment it is usually indented to show what the commenter is responding to and so on. That's not to mention the lousy "reporting" system they have in place. One complaint and BOOM your comment is wiped out.

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rmiller

May-26-13 10:43 PM

GoBB62, You are not alone. I got a post removed for suggesting someone apologize for wishing someone dead. That's truly sad. You rightly stated, liberals are an intolerant bunch.

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MelissaBrown

May-26-13 12:24 PM

Oy vey. If govt doesn't give us rights and if rights are naturally inherent, where do they come from? They gotta come from somewhere. IF we can give ourselves our own rights, then I give myself the right to a safe, legal abortion. Perhaps that is why Mr Hiller doesn't hold office because HE doesn't understand how government works.

I am not a hateful person, but just like anyone else, when people start attacking me personally, I bite back. I know I shouldn't, but I am human. And sometimes I get frustrated trying to explain things to stupid people.

But I find this a common thread with most bullies. They attack and attack and attack a person and then when that other person has had enough and fights back, the bully says that his victim is angry and intolerant.

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CMReeder

May-26-13 9:57 AM

You can keep arguing over abortion. You can point to Dr. Gosnell and say see that's what happens. No one forced those women to get an abortion. Not even at 7, 8, 9 months did they hesitate in getting an abortion. Women will get an abortion when they feel it is necessary. Will it be safe and legal or will you force them to use illegal and unsafe measures?

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DavidBross

May-26-13 8:45 AM

Mike, the role of the guy is certainly one that needs to be included in this discussion. His responsibilities and rights also need to be included.

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VinceKnauff

May-26-13 7:35 AM

I do not think I have seen the word "adoption" at all in this thread.

Sad

Melissa - do you have children? You seem very hostile to the thought of a woman actually going through with a pregnancy and giving birth. Do you have friends that have children? Do they regret having those children and wish they would have had an abortion instead? Trying to figure out where your ire comes from.

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CarlHiller

May-26-13 7:34 AM

"Have I mentioned lately Carl that there isn't a single day I'm not thankful you aren't an elected official in the state of PA?" The only reason you state this is due to you knowing I am correct! You don't need to worry any longer CHayes, I am not going to run for any office again. I simply won't play the game under either parties rules!

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-26-13 7:31 AM

CHayes,

Cut to the chase. Your whole post was a "tongue in cheek" way of inferring that RMiller supports abortion.

It is kind of like saying the company that I work for extracts oil from the ground which is used to make gasoline and fuel oil to power the cars and heaters in the abortion clinics that abort babies/fetuses so I support abortion.

You know where she/I stand.

It is import to look at actions instead of just listen to people's words. If you would apply this same critical thinking and minimum standards to ALL political parties and insist on integrity, fairness, and truthfulness, we could improve things in the US.

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mikekerstetter

May-26-13 7:28 AM

sideliner-""Keeping one's legs crossed " is inciting, derogatory, judgemental, takes in no consideration of underlying health issues, and offers no meaningful help or alternatives."

Well, you're certainly entitled to that opinion. But 'keeping ones legs closed' does offer the most simple, least costly and foolproof way to keep from getting pregnant.

Just wondering, can you cite the ways that allowing abortions takes in the consideration of underlying health issues that are associated with the casual sex that causes the largest majority of unwanted pregnancy or how it offers meaningful help for that?

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CHayes

May-26-13 7:25 AM

" Brownie you are an extremely hateful individual. Laws do not spell out what is an inherent right, they spell out privilege."

Have I mentioned lately Carl that there isn't a single day I'm not thankful you aren't an elected official in the state of PA?

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CarlHiller

May-26-13 6:47 AM

A child is defined by numerous dictionaries to be "1. a. A person between birth and puberty. b. A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority. 2. a. An unborn infant; a fetus. 'So a fetus is protected under the Constitution.' b. An infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or daughter; an offspring. 5. A member of a tribe; descendant: children of Abraham. 6. a. An individual regarded as strongly affected by another or by a specified time, place, or circumstance: a child of nature; a child of the Sixties. b. A product or result of something specified"

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CarlHiller

May-26-13 6:44 AM

There are numerous laws across the nation that do protect the rights of the unborn, but they all exclude abortion. It's hypocrisy to define abortion as legal and to make illegal the death of unborn life by an act of violence. For one, this shows that the abortion while legal under the eyes of the administrative law is taking the rights of the unborn and is considered a person under the constitution. Use word games all you want, there is no way to refute this in the eyes of organic law.

Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. tit. 18 § 106 and § 1102 et seq. define classes of offenses, including crimes against an unborn child and provide penalties. Section 1102 was amended in 2008 to provide for the sentence of the first degree murder and second degree murder of an unborn child (2008 HB 1845). Section 1102.1 was created in 2012 by Pa. Laws, Act 204 (SB 850) to provide for the sentence of a person under the age of 18 for certain offenses, including murder of an unborn child. Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. tit. 1

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GoBB62

May-26-13 6:31 AM

"A fetus is more of a person then you are Melissa. At least they have feelings!!!!"

"ROFL! " Hazy

I was right when i said liberals are a bunch of soulless ghouls.

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CarlHiller

May-26-13 6:31 AM

"There are NO laws, state or federal, that enumerate rights for an unborn fetus." Brownie you are an extremely hateful individual. Laws do not spell out what is an inherent right, they spell out privilege. Laws grant privilege, government granted privilege, not actually an inherent right. A right is something you inherently possess, even if government tries to take it away. So no law actually spells out right, they do grant privileges though. Because you are so brainwashed or just plain stupid, you do not understand the basics of law. All words have meanings under the law so you must find the meanings. Since you and your ilk have no understanding of organic or administrative law you will never understand our form of government.

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mikekerstetter

May-26-13 6:17 AM

DavidBross-"Lockett's advice represented a rather immature point of view. It placed the burden of responsibility and changes in behavior all one a group of citizens(women) to which Lockett doesn't belong."

David, you have a point. But look at the other side. The man has no say in it once the pregnancy occurs. He's at the mercy of the woman who holds all the cards. She is the one who get's to decide if she is having an abortion or if the man will be held financially responsible for this child for 18 years. You know where I stand on abortion, but since it's completely and totally the womans choice on what to do if she becomes pregnant she is the one whom bears the greater responsibility.

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mikekerstetter

May-26-13 6:11 AM

MelissaBrown-"I know I'm going to regret posting this because certain posters here will just never see the truth. But, not all oral contraceptives are so "cheap." Some are over $50 a month."

LOL, some of us won't see the truth? Are you kidding me?

Some contraceptives are over $50/month vs an abortion with an average cost is over $500. So use a C O N D O M, or two in case one breaks. I've never seen so many lame excuses used to defend the lack of personal responsibility that leads to someone wanting an abortion. Yeah, I can't afford protection so I'll get an abortion that costs 10 times as much as the most costly contraceptive. Really?

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CHayes

May-26-13 6:08 AM

Hey Tex, how could Bain have "fully divested from the company three years prior to Stericycle beginning its work with abortion clinics", considering:

"In 1991, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration cited its Arkansas operation for 11 workplace safety violations. The facility had not provided employees with sufficient protective gear, and it had kept body parts, fetuses, and dead experimental animals in unmarked storage containers, placing workers at risk."

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CHayes

May-26-13 6:00 AM

You are in correct about Romney and Stericyle.

"But Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney founded, tamped down the controversy. The company said Romney left the firm in February 1999 to run the troubled 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City and likely had nothing to with the deal. The matter never became a campaign issue. But documents filed by Bain and Stericycle with the Securities and Exchange Commission—and obtained by Mother Jones—list Romney as an active participant in the investment. And this deal helped Stericycle, a company with a poor safety record, grow, while yielding tens of millions of dollars in profits for Romney and his partners. The documents—one of which was signed by Romney—also contradict the official account of Romney's exit from Bain."

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CHayes

May-26-13 5:55 AM

"A fetus is more of a person then you are Melissa. At least they have feelings!!!!"

ROFL!

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USABorn

May-26-13 1:13 AM

MelissaBrown - 2:02 PM

"It is not a fact that a 24 week old fetus is a living person."

John Andrew Welden, 28, faces a FIRST-DEGREE MURDER CHARGE and life in prison in the death of a SIX WEEK "FETUS."

Feds don't feel the same way you do. Maybe you should join Welden's defense team since you are such a big expert on the subject of babies prior to birth.

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USABorn

May-26-13 12:51 AM

MelissaBrown - 6:23 PM

"A fetus is not a person....."

A fetus is more of a person then you are Melissa. At least they have feelings!!!!

And if you ask the federal government, a fetus IS a person.

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