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May 28, 2013

From the very beginning of the Tea Party movement, it was recognized by backers of big government as a grass roots movement opposing big government and liberal fiscal policies....

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Premier

May-28-13 4:49 AM

I agree with every word Phil but I'd like to add that the Tea Party was also against overspending Republican fiscal policies also.

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USABorn

May-28-13 4:56 AM

Well said, Phil!

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MrShaman

May-28-13 5:30 AM

"From the very beginning of the Tea Party movement, it was recognized by backers of big government as a grass roots movement opposing big government and liberal fiscal policies." - Phil Underwood

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...And, they were so "smart"...they were hijacked by Republicans/Wall Street.

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MrShaman

May-28-13 5:34 AM

"I agree with every word Phil but I'd like to add that the Tea Party was also against overspending Republican fiscal policies also." - Premier

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...But, eventually, Wall Street lobbyists "helped" T-Baggers to see the "errors of their ways".

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Ritty77

May-28-13 5:34 AM

Good letter, Phil.

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farmer

May-28-13 5:57 AM

"demonized before it grew and attracted moderates with similar views"

Are you saying then, it has only attracted extremest?

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VinceKnauff

May-28-13 6:07 AM

Farmer - what is your meaning of extremist? Because you and most other Liberals use that word like a swear word. Perhaps you might learn what the Tea Party stands for and then decide if those are extreme positions.

All Phil was saying was that the Tea Party attracted people who were conservative and politically aware to a much higher level than the average citizen. Stopping the Tea Party through demonization and false charges of racism had to happen before people who were not so politically aware took notice and found out that they actually agreed with most of what the Tea Party was saying.

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spike2

May-28-13 7:03 AM

Who is the actual leader or leaders of the "Tea Party"? What is the actual organizational structure? It appears to be a leaderless movement. There are a batch of Congressman but few with any national electable power.I agree that many people who are disheartened with government generally are participating. In fairness, as an actual party you do have to own your share of racists, nuts and extremists like every party.

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Bufftrev1

May-28-13 7:49 AM

Phil seems to be under the impression that conservative organizations, politicians and backers are not out to 'crush' progressive or liberal groups and individuals..

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CMReeder

May-28-13 7:53 AM

The poor Tea party is a VICTIM. Phil now wants to use his VICTIM card.

The tea party has shown that it warranted scrutiny even from the IRS. Establishment republicans are showing strain from the abuses of the Tea Party and are fighting back at them. The Tea Party is no innocent babes in the woods.

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rick424

May-28-13 8:23 AM

Bring back the Tea Party, so we can be assured of another victory.

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nobud74

May-28-13 8:40 AM

Nice letter, Phil. Too bad the libs here cannot see that their zeal to use all powers of the govt, both real and imagined, to thwart the growth of the Tea Party have the potential to come back to bite them when they are not in the White House. My point is that allowing the govt to actively work against opposition leads to a tyrannical govt, something I do not want to see no matter which party is in office.

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johnnyad3

May-28-13 8:56 AM

"use that word like a swear word."

Vince: you and your humble ("politically aware to a much higher level") conservative friends don't do the same to liberals? I heard them say liberalism is a disease and other hateful things.

But here is the question, haven't political parties always tried to "crush" the other party? I'm sure the Republicans didn't mean anything bad when they said they were determined to make Obama a one term president. And then there are all the conspiracy theories that I am sure are not meant to "crush" Obama. You know, he is not an American citizen, he's gay, he's the anti-Christ and Americans should serve Satan. These are nice things to say. Right?

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philunderwood

May-28-13 9:13 AM

The Tea Party is nothing more than a grass roots movement by people who believe government has moved well beyond the limits and purpose the Constitution allows. It isn’t a political party. Most folks who identify with the Tea Party are informed and serious about their beliefs. What scares the left is the low information voters it normally counts on persuading to vote for big government politicians will learn enough to realize they’re being conned and join the Tea Party folks at the voting booth.

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enigma

May-28-13 9:15 AM

Buff,"Phil seems to be under the impression that conservative organizations, politicians and backers are not out to 'crush' progressive or liberal groups and individuals.."

The big difference here is that conservatives want to crush liberalism in a contest of ideas. Liberals want to crush any competition by shouting them down or criminalizing their speech, or in this case by making it impossible for them to get their message out. That's the difference between liberty and tyranny. Conservatives are not afraid of liberal ideas, because they are easily defeated in an open exchange, but liberals can only win a debate by silencing the opposing view.

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philunderwood

May-28-13 9:18 AM

Well said, Enigma.

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Premier

May-28-13 9:21 AM

Sham, what in your little world do you consider a "nascar-type fan"?

I'm sorry that we don't wear socks with sandals and wear fanny packs like you. You seem to harbor some deep seated hatred for this group of hard working patriotic Americans who are the backbone of this country.

Is it because you lacked the aptitude to master basic driving skills and failed many a driving test and now have to rely on public transportation or perhaps a bicycle?

You want to meet some REAL people? Go to a race and get educated on how this nation really works and the people who make that possible.

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CHayes

May-28-13 9:38 AM

"From the very beginning of the Tea Party movement, it was recognized by backers of big government as a grass roots movement"

I dispute this.

From a story about one of the very first tea party rallies in DC in early 2009:

""We have a million tea bags here, and we don't have a place to put them because it's not on our permit," said Rebecca Wales, lead organizer of D.C. Tea Party.

Fight the power, folks, but next time check your permits before acquiring 1 million tea bags.

A local think tank, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said it would allow the dumping of the tea bags in its 12th floor conference room instead. Not quite the same impact, though."

A box of 312 cheap, Lipton tea bags on Amazon costs $10. That means a million cheap tea bags costs about $32,000 not including transportation.

What fledgling "grass roots group" has $32K to spend on a prop for a demonstration?

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CHayes

May-28-13 10:01 AM

"The latest IRS revelations are simply more evidence of the effort to crush the Tea Party."

Lets examine this ludicrous statement.

The Cincinnati IRS office that is involved in these allegations processed over 60,000 applications for 501 tax free status last year. They processed these applications with under 200 staff. The total number of these 60,000 applications flagged for extra scrutiny was 298, or ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT. Of this 298 applications (.5%), 96 were applications belonging to conservative groups. That's 32% of .5%.

Not only is that not a very effective way to "target" people, but none of these groups were actually denied tax free status.

Now we hear that some of these conservative groups should not have even been eligible for 501 status. The largest expense of one of these groups, was several thousand dollars spent on radio ads for specific conservative Congressional candidates.

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CMReeder

May-28-13 10:12 AM

Sorry nobud but the Tea party is thwarting their own growth with their insanity and zealousness against government.

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philunderwood

May-28-13 10:14 AM

The opposition to the Tea Party Movement goes well beyond anything Chris can come up with and the movement is far broader than he can even imagine, but we must remember he’s only motivated to convince himself and others and has no interest in the truth.

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CMReeder

May-28-13 10:15 AM

But Phil the Tea party is using social movement tax staus to raise funds. They are not grass roots anything. They have become very influential in politics and raising funds for specific consevative candidates. They have identified themselves with social movements making them, according to right wing logic, socialists.

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CMReeder

May-28-13 10:16 AM

The Tea party shows even less interest in the truth.

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philunderwood

May-28-13 10:25 AM

The Tea Party movement doesn’t have to lie about their beliefs.

Are we supposed to think it’s somehow wrong for members of the Tea Party Movement to support and vote for candidates that share their beliefs?

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JohnZook

May-28-13 10:28 AM

Hayes- You and Google Advanced and You Tube could justify destroying the White House if it would stop Conservatives and freedom loving organizations. You should have taken Brietbart up on his 100,000 dollar reward for a racist remark from a Tea Party member.

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