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Divided country

May 28, 2013

Our Federal government has divided the United States of America into four classes of people. 1. We have the super rich who do nothing but steal from the poor working class. 2....

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Ritty77

May-28-13 5:37 AM

"We have the super rich who do nothing but steal from the poor working class."

How so?

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mikekerstetter

May-28-13 6:08 AM

Of course we have different classes. Except for those capable of working and refuse, all are valuable and have an important role to play in our society. Yes, some jobs don't pay much and never will, but they are important nonetheless. Some people use those jobs as stepping stones, starting points or because that is all they can find because of skills or a sagging job market. Some like what they are doing and accept the fact that they are low wage jobs and make a career out of it. In either case, it has nothing to do with the rich.

You should all know by now that I am a National Health Care system advocate, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that so many of the lower paying jobs have no health care.

For the life of me, though, I can't understand the class envy so prevalent with the Liberal set. I have as much empathy for the working poor, disabled and elderly as anyone, but I just can't see bashing the rich guy because he's had more fortune come his way and is rich.

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VinceKnauff

May-28-13 6:12 AM

Mr. Mills - you should avoid directly cutting and pasting directly from Liberal talking points websites. Sometimes it's really obvious when you do that. Demonstrate some ability at independent thought and answer Ritty's question.

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Tgrammiex4

May-28-13 6:15 AM

I wouldn't go so far as to say the rich "steal" from the working poor. Back in the day employers offered better pay and benefits to retain good workers and reward them for thier loyalty. These days most employers don't even know who they employ or what they do. Employees are just a number and all are replacable at a lower cost.Hard work and dedication goes unnoticed.At least thats what I've seen.

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VinceKnauff

May-28-13 6:16 AM

I guess that employing large numbers of people and paying them a fair wage so they can produce products that can then be sold at a fair price is somehow "stealing" from the poor.

Liberals never understand that the rich earn their money too. And they are usually who the rest of us work for. Maybe you, Mr. Mills, should stop being jealous and try to do what they did.

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spike2

May-28-13 7:14 AM

Some of the rich earn their money. Some of the poor are unmotivated. Everyone will ultimately fail when both sides assume a position that creates an entire class distinction based on financial assets or false character attributes. The rich for the most part will remain so. The current minimum wage is not a livable sum. Yes, this may work as a starting point if our current economy could also support consistent increases and advancement, but sadly it does not. Out of curiosity, I signed up for e-mail alerts on job opportunities in the natural gas industry about a month ago. I have yet to see one laborer position or an entry level position that did not require some experience. Unemployed people in our area do not have experience in the gas industry. Manufacturing is not returning any more than vinyl records. We need ideas not rehashing the same points.

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rmiller

May-28-13 7:21 AM

Keith,

You ask the same question I would like an answer to.... :)

Class envy - jealousy...deal with it or work harder.

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Tgrammiex4

May-28-13 7:33 AM

Spike, my son works for a co. that provides support serv. for the gas ind. The pay and benefits are pretty good. They have been hiring for months. Long hours/ on-call avail. is required, little to no exp. requires. Drug test mandatory.The handful of applicants either don't want the hours or can't pass the drug test.My son has been there 2 yrs., is making more $$ than he ever has, they have sent him for training, cert. for several things.He works hard, sometimes long hours, but he sees the benefit to it.

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CMReeder

May-28-13 7:50 AM

You only succeeded in describing 2 classes of people in America those that have and those who do not.

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eriklatranyi

May-28-13 7:54 AM

Class warfare is a liberal tactic to undermine a healthy work ethic.

We should admire the wealthy who worked to make their money rather than denigrate them.

We should encourage the poor to do better.

But to pit wealth classes against each other reminds me of a certain dictator who blamed his nation's ills on a certain group of people, resulting in the deaths of 6 million humans.

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Bufftrev1

May-28-13 7:59 AM

Warren Buffet said it well.. quote, it is class warfare and my class is winning. Not hard to do when you control the electorate and the judiciary..

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CMReeder

May-28-13 8:12 AM

People have a work ethic Eric what you have is a wealth ethic.

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rmiller

May-28-13 8:16 AM

Chuck,

It is not about the have and the have nots....my neighbor may have a better car than me, I might have a boat that glides on the Susquehanna every summer. Some will always have, some will always have not. This has become a war over the "haves" in life as if it is a sin or crime to "have." Jealousy/envy is only hurting one's self. And, in this juncture in our country, the "elite" (class warfare instruments) are using the poor to advance their progressive/socialism agenda.

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rmiller

May-28-13 8:21 AM

Tgrammie,

The work is there. Putting in an email alert (which is a good thing) and actually going down to the company (showing one's self assertive and truly interested) would be more helpful.

Spike,

My son just got hired in CT (where unemployment is up) pursued the job, post interview, with phone calls. The gas co. does hire. Tgrammie pointed out that they require a strong commitment. Your posts here indicate your desire to work with them and a desire to better yourself. I would suggest you don't do the "email alert" thing...not personal enough. :)

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MrShaman

May-28-13 8:30 AM

"But to pit wealth classes against each other reminds me of a certain dictator who blamed his nation's ills on a certain group of people, resulting in the deaths of 6 million humans." - eriklatranyi

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Ah, yes...the fascists vs. the parasites!!!

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See:

War on the Weak - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

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MrShaman

May-28-13 8:36 AM

"In his book, Hitler divides humans into categories based on physical appearance, establishing higher and lower orders, or types of humans. At the top, according to Hitler, is the Germanic man with his fair skin, blond hair and blue eyes. Hitler refers to this type of person as an Aryan. He asserts that the Aryan is the supreme form of human, or master race.

Throughout Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to Jews as parasites, liars, dirty, crafty, sly, wily, clever, without any true culture, a sponger, a middleman, a maggot, eternal blood suckers, repulsive, unscrupulous, monsters, foreign, menace, bloodthirsty, avaricious, the destroyer of Aryan humanity, and the mortal enemy of Aryan humanity..."

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...So, the "difference", between Hitler & Rand/Ryan/T-Baggers is WHAT?

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MrShaman

May-28-13 8:43 AM

Chuck,

It is not about the have and the have nots...." - rmiller

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...At least, that's what the "haves" say, right??

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See:

CEOs Earn 354 Times More Than Average Worker - Apr. 15, 2013

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nobud74

May-28-13 8:56 AM

Yes, we have a divided county and our pols like it that way so they can maintain control over us. Rich people, for the most part, get that way because they work hard and take risks with their equity. If you choose not to take risks, that is fine, but you shouldn't criticize those who do because they are the people who create the jobs. I have a fairly successful small business and everyone thinks I am rich. But, they don't see the long hours, the missed family time, the stress of paying bills and making payroll. Yes, I earn more than some, not nearly as much as others but I earn it and sweat for it. So, I get mad when people sit on their duff and say employers are bad and they only want to hose the workers. You people are so clueless it is funny, I wouldn't be where I am without my workers and I pay them what I can, help them out when I can and let them know as often as I can how much I appreciate what they do. That is how most employers operate.

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rmiller

May-28-13 9:02 AM

Good post nobud.

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philunderwood

May-28-13 9:35 AM

Class warfare is necessary for any form of collectivist political party or movement. Such parties or movements would have no excuse to rise to power without the victims it perpetrates and gaining power over others is their only purpose.

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enigma

May-28-13 9:39 AM

Writer,"We have the super rich who do nothing but steal from the poor working class."

How do you become rich stealing from people who don't have anything? This letter reminds me of an old one-liner, "There are only two kinds of people, those who think there are only two kinds of people and those who don't." There are two ways of looking at the truth of the matter. You could say that there are as many kinds of people as there are people, or you could say that there is only one kind of people, human. Either way dividing people into artificially created groups serves no useful purpose.

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CHayes

May-28-13 9:41 AM

"We have the super rich who do nothing but steal from the poor working class."

I would dispute this.

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mikekerstetter

May-28-13 9:59 AM

CMReeder-"You only succeeded in describing 2 classes of people in America those that have and those who do not."

CMReeder-"People have a work ethic Eric what you have is a wealth ethic."

Apparently Chuck hasn't figured out the the overwhelming majority or the rich worked hard and took the risks to get to where they are now. Just like any good liberal, Chuck thinks that because he uses a computer with a Microsoft product on it he is entitled to the money Bill Gates made.

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mikekerstetter

May-28-13 10:04 AM

Great post, Nobud. You know, of course, that Chuck, and a whole gaggle of other liberals like him, thinks it's unfair that you make any money with your business. He thinks it's your obligation to provide jobs and give all your money away and you keeping any of it is just a selfish act on your part.

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CMReeder

May-28-13 10:26 AM

"Class warfare is necessary for any form of collectivist political party or movement. Such parties or movements would have no excuse to rise to power without the victims it perpetrates and gaining power over others is their only purpose."

You just used class warfare for your side Phil with your post. Both parties use it.

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