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Debating correctly

May 30, 2013

When we post a letter about a subject we believe merits discussion, it likely leads to denunciation rather than discussion....

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MrShaman

May-30-13 5:39 AM

"Serious issues ought to be debated seriously instead of generating assertions and counter assertions as the sides try and out-shout each other." - Phil Underwood

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..."Serious issues", being the operative-phrase.

What some people consider "serious issues" are more-often-than-not a matter of "traditional"-concerns...much like our ol' timey/oldy-moldy Blue Laws.

Things change. People change. EVERYTHING is temporary...despite what your (preference for) Clerics tell you.

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wwhickok

May-30-13 6:16 AM

Phil, I agree with you.

Good luck with that.

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spike2

May-30-13 7:17 AM

Good point Phil. If only it was reasoned debate.

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AmericanCitizen

May-30-13 7:19 AM

Excellent letter, Mr. Underwood. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-30-13 7:57 AM

Maybe we ought to set up a moderator.

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CHayes

May-30-13 8:12 AM

So Phil what is the correct way to debate? Your letter the other day for example. You made two assertions in the letter I disagreed with, so I quoted them, said why I disagreed with them, and provided data that backed up my assertions.

What do I get in return?

"We just can't count on leftists for truthful information, just good laughs!"

"Everyone with a brain knows the lamestream media knocks and lies about conservatives every chance they get."

"Get a clue Hazy. I was talking about just one leftist. I was talking about the whole group"

"Hey Sham and Johnny you left out incompetent druggie from your accurate incomplete bio."

"Wrong again Hazy. It's actually a nice way of saying the leftists are a bunch of disciples of Goebbels."

"They surely have fattened Porky Limbaugh's pay-check!"

"Oh boy! Among the leftists, we have Moe, Larry, Curly, Shemp, Joe AND Curly Joe! What a lineup, and no wonder they're so entertai

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CHayes

May-30-13 8:17 AM

"Oh boy! Among the leftists, we have Moe, Larry, Curly, Shemp, Joe AND Curly Joe! What a lineup, and no wonder they're so entertaining, but lacking in real substance!" [one of my favorites, a post that engages in only name calling, while complaining about "lack of substance"]

"It shocks me that you have a friend."

"Maybe Relene doesn't have time [to dispute the data I posted] because she's attending a Harry Potter film festival or something?" [that one was from me]

Discussion?

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CMReeder

May-30-13 8:24 AM

LOL

More Phil WHine.

Gee maybe it would help Phil if you did not treat others as though they have nothing to say. You ask for a discussion and debate and then turn nasty to those who oppose your view.

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CMReeder

May-30-13 8:25 AM

Phil is only interested in a one sided discussion.

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MrShaman

May-30-13 8:27 AM

"Maybe we ought to set up a moderator." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh...so, "conservatives" are in-need of a debate-nanny?

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MrShaman

May-30-13 8:34 AM

"So Phil what is the correct way to debate?" - CHayes

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I'm thinking, "conservatives" would prefer the convenience of opponents NEVER veering outside the limits of accepted-"absolutes".

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CMReeder

May-30-13 8:36 AM

The right only wants to debate each other, all others can leave.

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CMReeder

May-30-13 8:37 AM

The only moderator the right would accept is one of their own and even then they would diss that person.

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BornHere

May-30-13 8:38 AM

That's a good idea Phil, unfortunately some people only comment on here so they can ridicule others.

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philunderwood

May-30-13 8:41 AM

Chris, I never made any of the comments you quoted, what’s your point?

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SteelerFan

May-30-13 8:42 AM

Hazy has WAY too much time on his hands.

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CHayes

May-30-13 8:48 AM

"Chris, I never made any of the comments you quoted, what’s your point?"

My point is to ask you what is the point of you letter. And no, you most certainly didn't make any of the comments I posted. But I did think I would distill some of them down for people to browse.

Let's see how many of the people quoted will make similarly useless comments in reaction to seeing their comments from yesterday.

I already count one.

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CHayes

May-30-13 8:51 AM

"Ohhhhhhhhhhhh...so, "conservatives" are in-need of a debate-nanny?"

We are all in need of some nanny style attention from time to time I'd say.

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CMReeder

May-30-13 9:02 AM

In a debate there is a 'pro' and a 'con' viewpoints. Too bad you don't want both at the same time.

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CMReeder

May-30-13 9:06 AM

Phil's comments are more in line with 'you lack understanding' meaning you are stupid. 'You lack comprehension skills' is another favorite of Phil's. My favorite is when he he gets fustrated and blames the 'usual suspects'.

Phil does a lot of this in discussions and debates.

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philunderwood

May-30-13 9:19 AM

It’s not possible to discuss anything with people who fail to understand the premise being discussed and/or make comments devoid of any relevance to the premise.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-30-13 9:23 AM

"Phil's comments are more in line with 'you lack understanding' meaning you are stupid. 'You lack comprehension skills' is another favorite of Phil's. My favorite is when he he gets fustrated and blames the 'usual suspects'."

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Time-out for CMReeder or in the old days before PC, go put your head in the corner.

Oops, I made a personal attack, time out for me. Time to drive to Forksville, Canton, Troy, Mansfield, Wellsboro, and back down to the Susquehanna Valley. Enjoy the day. Maybe I can find some of the destruction of the forests by those oil companies. When I was at Trout Run the other day, the P/L ROWs looked like a power line ROW or a ski slope. Pretty green grass; good food sources for some animals. Later.

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Tgrammiex4

May-30-13 9:28 AM

Here of late there have been 3 prominent topics , abortion, gun control and everything Obama/gov't.I don't think there have been such polar opposite views on all three of them. It's nice to see people have such passion for these topics but creates a battlefield here.No amount of discussion will ever bring an agreement on any of these subjects so I think we have to accept that we will have to agree to disagree. I do think we could all ( me included) do a better job of abstaining from the name calling and respect each other's oppinions.

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MrShaman

May-30-13 9:31 AM

"It’s not possible to discuss anything with people who fail to understand the premise being discussed and/or make comments devoid of any relevance to the premise." - philunderwood

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When you're backed-into-a-corner (as you are...quite-often...OBVIOUSLY), you pretty-much put yourself, there.

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CMReeder

May-30-13 9:39 AM

See Phil resorted to 'failed to understand'. Did you ever think Phil that it is your failure to understand what is involved in debating?

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