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Have faith

May 30, 2013

While I agree with Mr. Mannello's article about climate change because of heat-trapping carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, our options are few....

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MrShaman

May-30-13 5:52 AM

"While I agree with Mr. Mannello's article about climate change because of heat-trapping carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, our options are few.

While global warming is bound to create challenges for civilization in the future, I have enough faith in mankind to believe that we will find a way to get through this challenge as we have others in the past." - Eugene H. Sellers

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Having "faith" never manages to get much of ANYthing done...especially when you're convinced our options are "few".

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VinceKnauff

May-30-13 5:55 AM

Once again - why hasn't it gotten warmer for the last 15 years? If CO2 was the factor in earth's warming that you Warmers (I always capitalize religions) believe it is, then why has warming stopped since 1998 even though CO2 has risen?

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Premier

May-30-13 6:00 AM

With all the money being spent to correct this problem and the financial burden placed on all people it's kind of disheartening that one minor volcanic eruption would wipe out any gains 100 fold.

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MrShaman

May-30-13 6:17 AM

"Once again - why hasn't it gotten warmer for the last 15 years?" - VinceKnauff

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Hmmmmmm...because so many people have FAITH that it hasn't gotten warmer??

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Google Advanced:

With Drought Season Off to a Bad Start, Scientists Forecast Another Bleak Year

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MrShaman

May-30-13 6:23 AM

"With all the money being spent to correct this problem and the financial burden placed on all people it's kind of disheartening that one minor volcanic eruption would wipe out any gains 100 fold." - Premier

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...So, let's all just kick-back and hope the "End Times" are the real-deal...and, PRAY they happen SOON...'cause our only (other) options might involve some actual effort/work.

So much, for the whole "stewardship"-trip, huh??

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-30-13 7:13 AM

Al Gore will get angry with you since you won't buy his expensive green energy alternatives; his bank account won't grow then.

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rick424

May-30-13 7:44 AM

Hey, the rest of the world is doing so I guess we should also. Makes perfect sense to me. Morons.

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AmericanCitizen

May-30-13 7:55 AM

Mr Knauff - I think you're looking at too small of a window. According to NASA the average global temperature between 1940 and 1960 actually dropped, and not just a little. But the overall trend since 1880 (about the start of the Industrial Revolution) is undeniably up, and sharply so.

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CHayes

May-30-13 8:40 AM

"Of the 35 gigatons of carbon dioxide emitted around the world this year, U.S. emissions were less than six. And, if we were to choose to drive up our energy costs to cut those relatively low emissions, developing nations, such as China and India, would be glad to take over our remaining manufacturing jobs."

It's a really terrible benchmark to look at total CO2 emissions by country. A MUCH more accurate way to look at it is per capita by country. For example, China and India were called out in the letter, but looking at the whole picture, the US had almost 3 times the per capita emissions of China in 2009 (17.2 tons vs. 6.2 tons), and over 11 times the per capita output of India (1.5 tons).

There's also a crazy simple way to motivate other countries to lower their CO2 emissions. A tariff system for imports that charges higher tariffs to countries with higher per capita emissions.

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CHayes

May-30-13 8:42 AM

I would add that in the case of the US (and certainly other countries), manufacturing isn't the prime driver of CO2 output. Consumption is.

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farmer

May-30-13 8:43 AM

"While global warming is bound to create challenges for civilization in the future, I have enough faith in mankind to believe that we will find a way to get through this challenge as we have others in the past."

I have to wonder why you can put so much faith in "future mankind", yet so little faith in "present mankind". Will future mankind be more interested in solving our problems than driving large SUVs and buying cheap gas? I guess in the future mankind will be a better sort of chap. You won't hear "it's not my problem..., it's too difficult to solve..., well Bobby down the road isn't cutting back, why should I..., and best of all, ya know, it just cost too darn much." Yes, it's good to have faith. It makes life so much easier now.

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johnnyad3

May-30-13 8:46 AM

Vince: Where are you getting your information? When I performed a google search, I found this near the top:

NASA: 2012 Was 9th Warmest Year on Record. The 9 Warmest Years Have All Occurred Since 1998.

Further down:

NOAA scientists say 2012 global temperature records further consolidate a pattern of global warming

So I am curious of your data.

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philunderwood

May-30-13 8:58 AM

Earth’s climate is far too complex to attribute it to any one thing.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-30-13 9:09 AM

"Mr Knauff - I think you're looking at too small of a window. According to NASA the average global temperature between 1940 and 1960 actually dropped, and not just a little. But the overall trend since 1880 (about the start of the Industrial Revolution) is undeniably up, and sharply so."-AmericanCitizen

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Why not have a longer window of time, like back to the ice age of 10,000-20,000 years ago when the southern edge of the glaciers were in Lycoming Co. What industrial revolution or burning of wood fires by mankind caused the glaciers to melt and recede?

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johnnyad3

May-30-13 9:21 AM

Hi Phil: I see Bobbie's post below. Were you talking to her in your letter today?

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CMReeder

May-30-13 9:34 AM

"Earth’s climate is far too complex to attribute it to any one thing."

That does not mean you do nothing in response to it.

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VinceKnauff

May-30-13 9:40 AM

So I am curious of your data.

Look up - Global Warming Stopped 16 years ago - at the DailyMail dot UK website. Article dated 12 January, 2013.

And review all the bogus data from the East Anglia Climategate emails that were leaked 3 years ago that show that these "scientists" routinely omitted data that contradicted their wished-for goals.

Scientists do not omit data that they dislike. Doing that shows that they were not practicing science.

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VinceKnauff

May-30-13 9:44 AM

Mr Knauff - I think you're looking at too small of a window. According to NASA the average global temperature between 1940 and 1960 actually dropped, and not just a little. But the overall trend since 1880 (about the start of the Industrial Revolution) is undeniably up, and sharply so.

Understand this - I am not trying to actually do scientific research on Global Warming. I am simply showing that actual data proved the claims of the Global Warmers wrong on their predictions. The only reason we are considering economy-crushing changes is because of predictions these Warmers have given us. Proving them wrong means that we would be foolish to do what they want.

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enigma

May-30-13 9:55 AM

What is a greenhouse gas? It's a made-up term, there is no such thing. If CO2 is so good at trapping heat that .04% of the atmosphere being made of it will trap so much heat, why do we not use it as insulation? Because it's a lie. All of you science geniuses out there have been taken. Global warming, like gun control is a control issue. Government controls the money that goes to scientists, so if the government says there's global warming, scientists will say there's global warming. There are some scientists who will not be bought and they say it's bogus. If you look at it with even a little intelligence, you will see that it's bogus too. Remember that in the 70s we were being told that we were headed for another ice age because of 'fossil fuels'. You can believe what government tells you if you want, I'll go with the truth.

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CHayes

May-30-13 9:59 AM

"Earth’s climate is far too complex to attribute it to any one thing."

Who attributes climate change to one thing? I can honestly say I've never heard of that.

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CHayes

May-30-13 10:02 AM

"With all the money being spent to correct this problem and the financial burden placed on all people it's kind of disheartening that one minor volcanic eruption would wipe out any gains 100 fold."

The volcanic eruption in Europe (who's name I won't even attempt to spell) a couple years ago that was HUGE, and shut down air travel in Europe for an entire week, emitted about the same amount of CO2 as the airline flights it shut down.

I think your statement has some scale issues.

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CHayes

May-30-13 10:05 AM

"What is a greenhouse gas?"

en.wikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

Try this, it has pictures and everything. It might help enhance your understanding.

"It's a made-up term"

Indeed it is. Made up by scientists. Just like EVERY OTHER scientific term.

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CHayes

May-30-13 10:06 AM

I have to ask enigma, what is arteriosclerosis?

It's just a "made up term" right?

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CHayes

May-30-13 10:33 AM

"Lazy the liar "Indeed it is. Made up by scientists. Just like EVERY OTHER scientific term."

like "carbon credits""

Actually boobie, that term was quite likely invented by Reagan administration attorney C. Boyden Gray. If you doubt that, simply google "Smithsonian The Political History of Cap and Trade".

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enigma

May-30-13 10:34 AM

CHayes," I have to ask enigma, what is arteriosclerosis? It's just a "made up term" right?"

No, it's a descriptive term. Now you might make the point that greenhouse gas is descriptive also, but it is not. It is a propaganda term. It is supposed to make you think that CO2 traps heat. It that were the case, Mars would be much hotter than Earth, because it has much more CO2 in it's atmosphere. Several years ago, I created a spreadsheet with CO2 concentrations, atmospheric density and distance from the Sun, and guess what. The big determiner of temperature is the Sun, second is atmospheric density. If CO2 has any effect, it is so small that it cannot be determined. Maybe you should try checking the 'science' and stop believing whatever those who would control you tell you. GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX!

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