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May 31, 2013

Tell me our leader of our country didn’t know about what the IRS was doing....

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 3:48 PM

Who said two IRS employees processed all 60,000+ applications for 501 status last year? Certinly not me. The Cincinnati office that did this processing had a bit under 200 employees. That's conderably understaffed for what they had to do, but about 95 fold off of little boobie's estimate.

Boobie, have you yet posted anything true about this IRS flap? I've not seen anything you've said regarding it that has been close to factually accurate. Why is that?

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spike2

Jun-01-13 6:12 PM

Erik - did you know our dear congressman was next on the list? Got through by the hair on his chinny,chin,chin.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 4:11 PM

Did you need to remove your footwear to count that high John?

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JohnZook

Jun-01-13 11:30 AM

WOW Sham, 13 posts in a row!! Is that a record for you?

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MrShaman

Jun-01-13 11:14 AM

"When Bush43 fired and replaced the US Attorneys, nobody said it was politically motivated."

Actually EVERYONE said it was politically motivated, including the attorneys themselves. many people defending Bush claimed that he could fire US Attorneys for whatever reason he wanted." - CHayes

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....Specifically the Robertson-"educated" bubblehead/bimbo, who'd "..cancelled her upcoming appearance at a Congressional hearing, citing her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination."

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See:

Monica Goodling (Wikipedia)

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MrShaman

Jun-01-13 11:04 AM

Mr. Reeder said:

"Ritty left out a very important piece of information, no one interviewed about the IRS said that the 'targeting' was politically motivated."

When Bush43 fired and replaced the US Attorneys, nobody said it was politically motivated." - eriklatranyi

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I guess you're much-too-young to remember....

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See:

Bill Maher on elites (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Jun-01-13 11:00 AM

Shaman, why does everyone seem to disagree with you?!!" - michaelpaternostro

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My guess is...they rely too-heavily on "absolutes", and...there's NOTHING easier than dispelling "absolutes"!!

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MrShaman

Jun-01-13 10:55 AM

Shaman, why do you liberals always have to play the race card. It has nothing to do with race...." - michaelpaternostro

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Yeah....of course it "doesn't".

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Ritty77

Jun-01-13 10:27 AM

Great, Chris, and your explanation as to why they admitted wrongdoing and apologized for not doing wrong is that others in government have admitted to wrongdoing and apologized in the past even though they did nothing wrong. And any questions or requests for further explanation of this false admission of guilt and the subsequent insincere apology is nothing but a political which hunt.

My two brain cells are functioning well; yours, not so much.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 10:12 AM

This whole thing is a bunch of political bs Ritty. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together could look at the facts surrounding this case, and think that anyone was abused but the American taxpayer.

Remember, there were over SIXTY THOUSAND groups (businesses) that applied to no longer have to pay taxes last year. If that isn't an abuse of the system, then I don't know what is.

It would be prutting it in the kindest possible terms to call it strange that conservatives that claim to be hysterical about national debt, have absolutely no concern about 60K businesses filing for tax exempt status.

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Ritty77

Jun-01-13 9:26 AM

According to the IRS itself, the scope may be larger than originally thought as they are casting a "wide net" in response to a request for documents. So far, they have identified at least 88 employees with relevant documents.

So perhaps some of these documents are exculpatory or irrelevant, but the number of IRS employees involved is very likely more than two.

And the percentages and numbers of groups targeted by IRS employees are irrelevant regardless of how often they are posted here. The IRS has already admitted to the "what" of the matter, so Congress has moved on to the "why" and the "who."

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 8:11 AM

Some here seem to want to focus on what two specific employees did in direct contradiction to their supervisors orders, then claim, or at a minimum characterize the situation as something the President or someone at the White House ordered.

There was not an institutionalized system of targeting conservatives at the IRS period, because if there were, 32% of the groups flagged.for extra scrutiny wouldn't have been conservative, 100% would have been. Also all of them would have had their applications denied.

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CMReeder

Jun-01-13 7:54 AM

Not all the 'seachers' targeted conservative or Tea party groups.

The premise being offered is that only Tea party/conservative organizations were profiled and targeted by the IRS. Which means that the IRS only targeted Tea party/conservative organizations.

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CMReeder

Jun-01-13 7:51 AM

That Gavin is a strawman. The right does not know how to debate.

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gavinf56

Jun-01-13 7:21 AM

...and Joe Arpaio doesn't racially profile because he has never said he does.

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CMReeder

Jun-01-13 7:16 AM

Erik you are an idiot.

Ritty you are the one citing a report and yet you left out the part where no one interviewed for that report said that it was politically motivated. They were asked if it was and none said it was.

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Ritty77

Jun-01-13 6:56 AM

See "10 Things We Learned From the IRS Inspector General Report" from NPR.

Here's a couple:

"The IRS employees responsible for applying greater scrutiny to groups with "Tea Party" or "Patriots" in their names were evidently incorrigible. After their boss told them to cease and desist they did, temporarily. Then they went back to doing their own thing, which meant using inappropriate filters to select applicants for additional review. (Page 7)"

"When the agency asked for additional information — information the IG ultimately deemed to be irrelevant to the applications in question — the IRS would ask applicants to meet their requests within three weeks even though the IRS had essentially sat on some of the applications for more than a year. That's what New Yorkers would call chutzpah. (Page 18)"

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Ritty77

Jun-01-13 6:45 AM

"Ritty left out a very important piece of information, no one interviewed about the IRS said that the 'targeting' was politically motivated."

OK, what did they say was their motivation?

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 6:34 AM

"As long as the criteria is the same for all groups, I do not have a problem Chris, but when a particular groups are singled out for special scrutiny as a result of their political leanings"

And again Gavin, 32% of the groups "singled out" were conservative groups. There were also liberal groups that received extra scrutiny, and I'm sure completely non-political groups.

Nobody has proven to me yet that the reason these 2 employees were doing searches for words that might be in the names of political groups, wasn't to make sure no particular political affiliation was singled out.

IOW when less than 200 employees are told to pull out about .5% of applications for extra scrutiny out of a pile of over 60,000 applications, exactly what criteria are they going to use? If I'm not mistaken, there was more than one liberal group with the word "Progress" in it's name pulled. Who cares?

Remember, these groups are applying for a special tax exempt status.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 6:23 AM

In other news Ritty, Dewey Defeats Truman.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 6:22 AM

""The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday."

This isn't even factually correct Ritty. The groups were APPLYING for tax exempt status.

Daily News, go figure.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 6:15 AM

"When Bush43 fired and replaced the US Attorneys, nobody said it was politically motivated."

Actually EVERYONE said it was politically motivated, including the attorneys themselves. many people defending Bush claimed that he could fire US Attorneys for whatever reason he wanted.

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eriklatranyi

Jun-01-13 6:04 AM

Mr. Reeder said:

"Ritty left out a very important piece of information, no one interviewed about the IRS said that the 'targeting' was politically motivated."

When Bush43 fired and replaced the US Attorneys, nobody said it was politically motivated.

That didn't stop liberals from launching a full investigation and throwing around threats of impeachment.

As usual, Mr. Reeder is a lying hypocrite.

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CMReeder

Jun-01-13 12:00 AM

Gavin you did not. You should learn about it, how to debate that is.

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CMReeder

May-31-13 11:58 PM

Ritty left out a very important piece of information, no one interviewed about the IRS said that the 'targeting' was politically motivated.

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