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May 31, 2013

In reading the article titled "Christian school is being criticized over dinosaur test" in the Religion section of 5/25, I felt sad to learn there are some people who feel other people aren't......

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spike2

Jun-01-13 6:16 PM

Interesting. Thank you Kerstetter and Texas.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-01-13 5:25 PM

CMReeder-"Creationism is not science and is in no way the same as Darwinism or the big bang theory."

Further, there are scientists out there who's supposition it is that there was a creator. It's just as much 'science' as the big bang or darwinism.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-01-13 5:22 PM

CMReeder"-Mike is doing double talk. Creationism is not science and is in no way the same as Darwinism or the big bang theory."

Show me where I said Creationism is science. To the contrary, I never disputed the fact that Creationism can't be proven with facts. I did, however, say that neither can the THEORY of the Big Bang nor Darwinism be proven with facts. Phil said we shouldn't teach what can't be supported with facts. I agreed and said the suppositions of the Big Bang and Darwin theories shouldn't be taught then either. I don't know how much clearer I can be. I think the saying "I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you" applies here.

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CMReeder

Jun-01-13 3:07 PM

Mike is doing double talk. Creationism is not science and is in no way the same as Darwinism or the big bang theory.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-01-13 8:44 AM

Cont>>>

His ways are perfect for us and He wants us to experience His goodness, forever and ever.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-01-13 8:43 AM

Spike2, as Mike discussed, it was not a physical purity of the race thing like the Nazi's, etc.

In Deuteronomy 7, I have snipped out a few verses that explain why God did not want them to intermarry. “When the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it,........then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them.....you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you........For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."

God wanted them to worship Him and not the gods of the surrounding cultures.

Just like today, God wants us to worship Him. His ways are

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mikekerstetter

Jun-01-13 7:37 AM

CMReeder-"Mike says that evolution is supposition and not facts..."

Not surprisingly, you got it wrong again. What I said was "a lot of what they teach regarding the origins of the universe and evolution/Darwinism couldn't be taught because it is based on supposition and not facts."

Evolution is a given. People, animals, plants and microorganisms are continually evolving and that evolution can be seen and tracked.

Where evolution becomes supposition is when they try to link us back to Apes and Monkeys and tell us everything came from one single cell organism that came to be out of nothingness. That part is supposition, not a fact. If you want to teach only facts, you can't teach Darwinism or the big bang theory in school. You can't claim that Creationism can't be taught because no evidence exists to prove it and then tell us that Darwinism and the Big Bang theory should be believed.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-01-13 7:24 AM

spike2-"It seems to me that "when the Israelites started to settle the promised land, they were not supposed to inter-marry with the surrounding tribes because they were considered unclean"strongly resembles our own laws re: interracial marriage."

Spike, it had nothing to do with race, intelligence or someone being inferior. It was because God set them apart with certain things to show them to be His people. His concern, rightly so, was that if they were hanging out with others that the customs and rituals 'of the world' would become part of His peoples customs and they would no longer stick out as his people.

Yes, there are groups who wrongly interpret that 'setting apart' just as you have described, as saying certain races and intermingling is wrong. They are clearly wrong, because we are all made in His image.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-01-13 7:14 AM

spike2-"So Mike - you believe there was an immaculate conception? If your daughter (hypothetically) came home, said she was pregnant and it was an immaculate conception, would you believe her?"

Spike, Yes, I believe Jesus was born of a Virgin and that, in that case, it was an immaculate conception. AN Angel of the Lord spoke to BOTH Mary, before she became pregnant, and to Joseph, after he found her to be pregnant, and told them what was going on.

To your question would I believe if my daughter told me that. That's a fair question. I am a human, skeptical and full of doubt. So, it would be difficult for me to believe. Now if an Angel of the Lord came to me and told me I'd like to think that I would believe it. Part of that difficulty is that I don't think there will be but one immaculate conception. It is part of what made Jesus the 'Perfect Lamb'.

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spike2

Jun-01-13 6:54 AM

Thanks for taking the time to write an explanation ToTexas. I know you are sincere in your beliefs. It seems to me that "when the Israelites started to settle the promised land, they were not supposed to inter-marry with the surrounding tribes because they were considered unclean"strongly resembles our own laws re: interracial marriage. This was not legalized until 1967 because of a belief the children would be mentally inferior. This is interesting in similarity. Wouldn't this same line of thinking fall into place with the blonde haired, blue eyed master race in Germany? Just seems to be a repeating theme throughout time.

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JabbaTheHutt

Jun-01-13 6:03 AM

Immaculate conception = artificial insemination.

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CMReeder

Jun-01-13 12:10 AM

Mike says that evolution is supposition and not facts yet says the Bible is true. So much for teaching facts.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-31-13 10:24 PM

"So Mike - you believe there was an immaculate conception?"--Spike2

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In the case with Mary, the angel of The Lord also came to Joseph to explain the situation to him and told Joseph to take Mary as his wife and not divorce her.

If the angel came to Mike, I am sure that he would believe.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-31-13 10:17 PM

cont>>>

to exiles to the coming of Christ to the establishment of the church) progressively change and reveal more about God and His plan for us.

I hope that I have explained some of this a little better. Maybe someone else has something to add.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-31-13 10:16 PM

cont>>>

of the specifics.

Following up more on the original topic of clean/unclean food, I was trying to say that in the New Testament, God was using the J e w s to bring the gospel message to the Gentiles, who were considered unclean. As part of that effort to bridge the gap between J e w s and Gentiles, God reveal to Peter in Acts 10:12-15 the following: "In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.”" Through this, the J e w s were allowed to eat items that there-to-for were considered unclean.

The teachings and "rules" from Old Testament to the New Testament (Creation to the flood to Abraham to Jacob to captivity to the Exodus to the entrance into the promised land to exile

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-31-13 10:15 PM

"my point was there are still Israeli's and Israeli's who have married and mixed with other tribes if you will. At what point are you not a child of Israel?"

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Spike2, I'm struggling trying to answer your question because I think that it may have a couple of different meanings. Nevertheless, here goes.

In the modern day, your question seems to me more of a "genetic/heritage/race" question and it may be more of a legal question as to what percentage one contains to be considered a J e w or Israelite.

In the Old Testament, when the Israelites started to settle the promised land, they were not supposed to inter-marry with the surrounding tribes because they were considered unclean. Even the Samaritans, who were part Israelite blood were looked down upon and inferior to the J e w s; thus they were not allowed into the temple in Jerusalem. My assumption is that just marrying a gentile would disqualify them but I would defer to any scholars that know more o

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spike2

May-31-13 9:25 PM

So Mike - you believe there was an immaculate conception? If your daughter (hypothetically) came home, said she was pregnant and it was an immaculate conception, would you believe her?

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mikekerstetter

May-31-13 7:33 PM

enoughalready-"So you belived the whole Bible Elaine? Guess that means you've never eaten shellfish, nor worn mixed fabric?"

That is a well worn argument every time someone disagrees with a Christian. While it IS in the Bible, they fail to understand what it was for and why it no longer applies.

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spike2

May-31-13 7:27 PM

Texas - my point was there are still Israeli's and Israeli's who have married and mixed with other tribes if you will. At what point are you not a child of Israel? Help me out here, God is married to the church, the Nuns are married to God, the Priest is married to the church or God? The Old Testament is more or less out like purgatory and the New Testament is the whole shabang. Paradise Lost made far more sense.

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mikekerstetter

May-31-13 7:26 PM

CMReeder-"Because God is the truth and so is the Bible."

Chuck, I couldn't agree with that statement more.

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mikekerstetter

May-31-13 7:21 PM

philunderwood-"Public school curriculum should be limited to teaching what is factual."

Phil, I agree. But that means that a lot of what they teach regarding the origins of the universe and evolution/Darwinism couldn't be taught because it is based on supposition and not facts.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-31-13 6:22 PM

SilverFeather,

I understand. My comment was not to cast blame at your brother nor the other victims.

I seems these behaviors become more prominent in our society; we need to continue to take more precautions with children to protect them.

When I was involved as a Boy Scout leader, we were constantly making sure that there was never a private (in doors or out) one on on time with a child and adult. You either had multiple people present or discussions with boys were in the public when others were close by.

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SilverFeather

May-31-13 2:54 PM

ToTEXASfromPA, just replying, not arguing. I have spoken to my brother and we both believe if he would have said anything to our parents, he would have been disciplined. You just didn't say bad things about the priest, that's the way we were raised. We doubt our parents would have believed it and we do thank God they never found out about it. It would have crushed them.

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ToTEXASfromPA

May-31-13 2:07 PM

"What blood percentage disqualifies an individual from adhering to this directive?"---spike2

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I didn't know that blood percentage was a criteria.

For the last two thousand years, other foods can be eaten.

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spike2

May-31-13 10:35 AM

So certain religious dietary directives apply only to those of Israeli origin. What blood percentage disqualifies an individual from adhering to this directive?

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