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$3.24 Trillion

June 1, 2013

It took 3.24 Trillion Dollars 4,488 American Dead Soldiers 32,021 Wounded American Soldiers To find out that there were no weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq....

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WKnapp

Jun-05-13 6:17 AM

spike2

Jun-04-13 8:59 AM

Right Bobbie. Keep believing an entire group are brainless sheep. Whenever you start believing you are correct in all matters and those who differ from you have no viable thoughts, your brain atrophies. Having a strong conviction is fine. Refusing to accept anyone who differs from you has no validity is simply narrow-minded.

Apt description of the attitude of many leftists right here on this forum toward 'the right'. Is your prescription the same in that regard?

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spike2

Jun-04-13 8:59 AM

Right Bobbie. Keep believing an entire group are brainless sheep. Whenever you start believing you are correct in all matters and those who differ from you have no viable thoughts, your brain atrophies. Having a strong conviction is fine. Refusing to accept anyone who differs from you has no validity is simply narrow-minded.

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CMReeder

Jun-03-13 7:59 AM

Of course you have to assume that the right has been brainwashed to begin with.

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cheyenne

Jun-02-13 11:41 PM

You may be on to something there CHayes regarding the possibility of a conspiracy to lure the right into believing a fake scandal. Leftists do possess a special talent for manipulating minds.

See: Thomas Sowell- Undoing the Brainwashing.

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CMReeder

Jun-02-13 6:15 PM

"Progressive" is a misnomer for leftist. Much more accurate is "regressive", posted by Wayne/valves.

You, like most conservatives, don't know the difference.

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twinder

Jun-02-13 4:48 PM

Do you know any vets from Iraq, Chris? I do. I've heard their stories and seen some of the photos they have. I believe there were WMD's in Iraq and that many were smuggled out. You can believe what you want. It's obvious that no one will change your mind and you're correct in thinking that you won't be able to change mine, either.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 2:39 PM

The book is garbage Twinder. Go and read the 21 one star reviews of the book on Amazon for a thorough debunking of this crap.

For example, 1500 gallons of chemicals magically turns into 1500 gallons of "chemical agents", which then morphs again into 1500 gallons of "chemical weapons".

The only chemical weapons found in Iraq were a very small cash of shells that were so old and degraded, that they were no longer functional. They were actually referred to by the US military as "legacy weapons".

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twinder

Jun-02-13 1:43 PM

The inquiry would be a follow-up to the July 2004 intelligence committee report that blamed a "series of failures" by the CIA and other intelligence agencies for the mistaken belief among U.S. policymakers that Iraq had restarted its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

Sen. Christopher Bond of Missouri, a Republican member of the intelligence committee, said the panel's 2004 report found no indication that the mistaken assumptions about Iraq's weapons programs were the result of political pressure.

All of this leaves many inside Washington wondering why President Bush doesn't just cut the ground out from under his political opponents by reminding the American people in a televised speech exactly what kinds of WMDs and potential WMDs were found in Iraq.

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twinder

Jun-02-13 1:42 PM

In a letter to the Security Council, IAEA Director General Mohammad El Baradei confirmed the transfer, saying that about 1.8 tonnes of uranium enriched to the level of 2.6 per cent had been transferred June 23 along with 6.6 pounds of low enriched uranium and about 1,000 highly radioactive sources.

What were the expectations of those looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – finished nuclear warheads ready for launch?

On Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid moved to lock out the public and press for the purpose of forcing an investigation into prewar intelligence issues.

Democrats said the move was necessary to overcome Republican efforts to "obstruct" a full investigation and a reluctance to investigate how administration officials handled the intelligence used to sell Congress and the public on invading Iraq.

The inquiry would be a follow-up to the July 2004 intelligence committee report that blamed a "series of failures" by the CIA and othe

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twinder

Jun-02-13 1:39 PM

advance of U.S. forces.

The airlift was completed June 23, five days before the U.S.-led Coalition Authority transferred the sovereignty to the Iraqi interim government.

The uranium was from the Tuwaitha nuclear facility, about 20 kilometers south of Baghdad. It was once a premium Iraqi facility for development of nuclear weapons but was dismantled in 1990s after the first Gulf war. The facility is now under the control of the new Iraqi interim government.

It was not clear where exactly the uranium is being kept, but American Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham described its removal as a "major achievement" in the Bush administration's goal of keeping "potentially dangerous nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists."

"It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons," Abraham said in a statement.

In a letter to the Security Council, IAEA Director General Mohammad El Baradei confirmed the

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twinder

Jun-02-13 1:36 PM

* Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas

* Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and "conventional" sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency

This is only a partial list of the horrific weapons verified to have been recovered in Iraq to date. Yet Americans overwhelmingly believe U.S. and coalition forces have found no weapons of mass destruction.

Let's take a close look at the first example. Many would be shocked to hear that nearly 2 tons of enriched uranium was found in Iraq – enough to make dozens and dozens of nuclear weapons and countless "dirty nukes."

Yet, in July 2004, the U.S. government announced it had transferred the nearly 2 tons of enriched uranium found in Iraq to an undisclosed location in the United States.

The uranium was what was left of supplies looted when the Iraqi facility was left unguarded between the retreat of Saddam Hussein's forces and the advance o

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twinder

Jun-02-13 1:35 PM

© 2005 G2 Bulletin Publishing date: 03.11.2005 18:36

While the Democrats in the U.S. Senate forced the upper house to close to the public for the purpose of investigating whether President Bush deceived the nation about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a new book attempts to remind the world that WMDs were indeed found after the invasion.

In fact, lots of them were found.

In his new book, "Disinformation: 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror," investigative reporter Richard Miniter reports once again on some major nuclear and chemical warheads discovered by coalition forces. They include:

* 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

* 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents

* 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)

* Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas

* Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and "conventional" sarin gas, assembled

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 8:17 AM

" what about the massacre of Kurds at Halabja on March 16, 1988"

The operational part of that statement is "1988". That's almost 15 years to the day ahead of the 2003 invasion. And while we're on the subject, where do suppose they got the precursors to make that? One Donald Rumsfeld, who famously visited Iraq as a special envoy of President Reagan in 1983, while he was head of chemical giant G D Searle, maybe? Remember there, the US govt loved Saddam before they hated Saddam.

The joke was that the Bush administration knew Saddam had chemical weapons, because Rumsfeld still had the receipts.

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CaveFelem

Jun-02-13 8:04 AM

If Iraq had no WMD's, what about the massacre of Kurds at Halabja on March 16, 1988? Iraqi planes dumped mustard gas and nerve agents on Kurds in Northern Iraq, killing 5000 and injuring 10000 more. Saddam's cousin, nicknamed "Chemical Ali" was executed in January 2010 for his role in this and other crimes against humanity.

I guess mustard gas and nerve agents don't count.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 7:35 AM

" why isn't the IRS, or anybody else, using these stats to argue the accusations instead of apologizing?"

Maybe they're concerned with PR. It might be because unlike me, they actually think it was wrong to use search terms to try and identify political groups for additional scrutiny because the 501 regulations that apply to them are much stricter. Or maybe its all part of a conspiracy to lure the American right into biting on yet another fake "scandal" to make them look stupid. Take your pick. The point is that is speculation, while the numbers I provided are facts.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 7:16 AM

PS If you're unable to find the documentation to my numbers with the info I've provided below, call a third grader and they can probably help you out.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 7:14 AM

" It's hard to "debate" when you use false facts as Hayes seems to do so much of the time."

When have I used."false facts"? My numbers are all documented below. One of the sources I've provided is even Fox "News".

No USAborn, using false facts would be like someone claiming a child was sent home from school on a military base because she was wearing a "support the troops" shirt, or claiming a high school kid was disqualified from a high school track meet in TX because he was a christian.

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USABorn

Jun-02-13 7:06 AM

cheyenne - 9:24 PM

"Mr. Hayes, I admit I'm a bit puzzled. If the statistics regarding groups seeking tax-exempt status you cited are indeed genuine, and you obviously had little difficulty locating them, why isn't the IRS, or anybody else, using these stats to argue the accusations instead of apologizing?"

Excellent question Cheyenne, but don't expect an answer. It's hard to "debate" when you use false facts as Hayes seems to do so much of the time.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 10:45 PM

Now all the conservatives that constantly tout the benefits of personal responsibility (for other people), and have been doubting my numbers can start apologizing.

The personal responsibility will set you free.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 10:41 PM

"60,000 per year in Lazyspeak = 27,000 in 11 years to normal people."

27000, 501(c)(4) applications in 11 tears lying half wit, NOT ALL 501 applications.

I'll have to assume this is a lie, because I pointed this out to you the other day, and your still not any smarter.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 10:38 PM

Want to see the list of all 1017, 501(c)(4) groups approved in 2012? Google "The IRS targeted tea party groups. Did liberal groups get better treatment?"

There you go. Now some people have some splainin' to do.

ALL my numbers are absolutely real.

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 10:34 PM

298 groups, only 96 conservative. Chris Wallace interview with Paul Ryan transcript:

"WALLACE: During the hearing on Friday, Commissioner Miller said that the targeting of conservative groups, the Tea Party and other conservative groups, was simply a bureaucratic effort, an efficiency move, if you will, to try to deal with this big spike in groups, political groups, after the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling, who were asking for tax-exempt status.

And I want to go to the inspector general's report on that, because he said that 298 groups received special scrutiny. Of those, 96 were Tea Party type groups.

That means, then, Congressman, that 2/3 of the groups that received special scrutiny were not Tea Party-type groups."

Google: "'Hell week' for the White House? Reaction from Dan Pfeiffer and Rep. Paul Ryan"

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WKnapp

Jun-01-13 10:34 PM

"Progressive" is a misnomer for leftist. Much more accurate is "regressive".

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CHayes

Jun-01-13 10:33 PM

"If the stats were true it would be a non story"

The stats are indeed true.

Here are some google search terms you can use to find them:

"All this combined to create an isolated office in Cincinnati, plagued by what an inspector general this week described as “insufficient oversight,” of fewer than 200 low-level employees responsible for reviewing more than 60,000 nonprofit applications a year."

Google "How the IRS’s Nonprofit Division Got So Dysfunctional"

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WKnapp

Jun-01-13 10:31 PM

You see, a brain is necessary for a successful discussion. Emotions don't provide a very good discussion. Leftists abound in emotion, but completely lack sense and logic.

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