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Smokers manners

June 2, 2013

This letter is to address the manners and responsibilities of which each and every smoker should abide by to keep the non-smokers off of your bac....

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Garben78

Jul-10-13 11:16 AM

Talk about taking a LTE off the charts you people are wow words can't say the LTE said nothing about you all being criminals for smoking just the ones who break the laws by throwing out their spent butts and trust me if you throw one on the ground and don't pick it up ill guarantee you'll be eating it don't believe me just try it and you'll know who I am

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FormerEastEnder

Jun-04-13 8:46 AM

Hey Winter - Did You Just Learn How To Either Use The Shift Key Or Just Learn How To Capitalize Letters?..Lol

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Ritty77

Jun-03-13 11:21 PM

SALEM -- Smokers could get a ticket for lighting up with kids in the backseat under a bill headed for Gov. John Kitzhaber’s desk.

The Oregon House passed Senate Bill 444 Monday in a 43-15 vote, against the objections of some lawmakers who groused about it as a “nanny state” provision, or questioned its effectiveness.

The bill would allow police to ticket smokers if they were pulled over for another offense. The violation would cost $250 for the first offense and $500 for subsequent offenses.

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CHayes

Jun-03-13 1:57 PM

" ( Let Me Get This Straight For This Is Mind -Boggling , You Have Determined That Every Smoker Is A Criminal?"

Not sure who "you" is, but if its the letter writer, he never said all smokers are criminals. It just isn't in there. He said he feels that smoking in a closed.up car with children is criminal behavior.

The letter writer seems to feel that he wished nobody smoked, and as you characterize.yourself as addicted, that may be something you both agree on.

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spike2

Jun-03-13 11:57 AM

If a business allows smoking and an individual chooses to smoke, so be it. It is not the obligation of the smoker to not smoke. It is the choice of a business. Many people smoke outdoors. Not perfect but far better than smoking in a home with children or non-smokers. Same thing with a car. The butts tossed around drive me crazy also. The auto industry didn't help this situation when they removed ashtrays from vehicles. One does not ever need to use that ashtray but it was a better option to do so.

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wintergirl08

Jun-03-13 11:37 AM

( Let Me Get This Straight For This Is Mind - Boggling , You Have Determined That Every Smoker Is A Criminal? If People Choose To Smoke That's Entirely Their Choice Does Not Make Them Criminals Period! I Am A Smoker Been One For Many Years , I Have Two Adult Children Who Did Not Pick Up My Addiction That I'm Very Proud Of Every Day. People In Society Today Don't Have An Ounce Of Respect When It Comes To Littering The Grounds Here, There, Everywhere. It's A Viscous Cycle The Mind Of A Litterer. And By The Way I Do Respect People That Don't Smoke I Always Ask Politely Before I Light Up Where Ever I Might Be. Good Day.

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Josh84

Jun-03-13 8:10 AM

NotaCriminal Jun-02-13 12:35 PM****"Time to man up and be a man, worry about yourself and your family,"

I believe that was the exact intent of the author.

NotaCriminal, Hayes is making a you look a fool, and rightly so.

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JJEETT4

Jun-03-13 1:35 AM

i agree with the OP. it galls me when i see smokers flip their butts to the ground and keep walking. as if its their God given right to use the world as their ashtray. the amount of butts in any given place is digusting. total lack of respect for others and the environment

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 8:23 PM

" I don't smoke in my cars nor in my house, but I do smoke at bars."

So essentially you're saying that smoking is too dirty and smelly to do in your own home or car, but you have no compunction about doing it in someone else's place. You wouldn't dream of treating someone else's property with the same respect you treat your own. That's a great lesson to teach your kids.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 8:11 PM

Apparently you don't read fine, or you would have seen this several sentences before the out of context quote you posted:

" My issue in this respect is the choice of an adult smoker to smoke in their vehicle with their children in the same small space. It is not only a lack of mature and intelligent responsible parenting, but it is criminal and borders on the laws of child cruelty"

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NotaCriminal

Jun-02-13 6:40 PM

CHayes- Did you even read the Article? Don't tell me what the writer wrote because I can read just fine! You on the other hand must not! Here ill help you out... The writer wrote and I quote "To me, all of you that do this are criminals and don't deserve to have children" Just so we are on the same page we are talking about smoking right? He complained about people smoking at his venues so obviously he has a issue with just smoking period any where he is. Just a little fyi I have kids and smoke. I don't smoke in my cars nor in my house, but I do smoke at bars. Its been that way for decades. I will continue to smoke at bars too and if the smokers or entertainers don't like it well there are plenty of smoke free bars in the area so go there and stop trying to have everything your way!

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NotaCriminal

Jun-02-13 6:39 PM

CHayes- Did you even read the Article? Don't tell me what the writer wrote because I can read just fine! You on the other hand must not! Here ill help you out... The writer wrote and I quote "To me, all of you that do this are criminals and don't deserve to have children" Just so we are on the same page we are talking about smoking right? He complained about people smoking at his venues so obviously he has a issue with just smoking period any where he is. Just a little fyi I have kids and smoke. I don't smoke in my cars nor in my house, but I do smoke at bars. Its been that way for decades. I will continue to smoke at bars too and if the smokers or entertainers don't like it well there are plenty of smoke free bars in the area so go there and stop trying to have everything your way!

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mikekerstetter

Jun-02-13 5:05 PM

spike2-"How many here had at least one parent who smoked? I'm just curious."

Spike, both of my parents smoked, as well as my maternal grandfather and quite a few of my aunts and uncles (my dad was one of 15 kids). I chewed skoal for 20 years and smoked occasionally, one time a pack a day for a little over a year. I quit smoking and then a few month later quit chewing. Haven't used either one in 10 years. I hated the smell of smoke on my hands after smoking a cigarette. Now I can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke at all. I hate going into the home of a smoker and smelling the smoke. It get's into your clothes and you can smell it long after you leave. So far, at least, I've not suffered any ill effects from all the second hand smoke growing up and from my own smoking. But I still feel kids shouldn't be subject to secondhand smoke. Just my opinion.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 3:02 PM

" Just because you choose to do what you do doesn't make anyone a criminal or a non fit parent."

The letter writer absolutely did not say everyone that smokes is a criminal. He very specifically said he had huge issues with someone that would smoke in an enclosed car with children, and rightly so.

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JohnZook

Jun-02-13 1:48 PM

Spike 2- Cigarette companies cannot advertise, there is a warning for movies, and they are sued for billions (with a "b") of dollars and yet this product is still legal. You can't smoke inside or outside because of health risks to other people, and it's still for sale? Herr Bloomburg even has them hidden with the Hustler magazines under the counter. In the parlance of our Vice President, "I'll give ya' two reasons- taxes, lawyers, and the black market."

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NotaCriminal

Jun-02-13 12:35 PM

So Steve, I'm a criminal and shouldn't have kids? First off your opinion *****! Second if you have a problem with smoking so much then maybe you should find a real job! You know one with designated smoking area's! Just because you choose to do what you do doesn't make anyone a criminal or a non fit parent. Its life people do it so deal with it! You probably drink some type of alchool and that's bad for your health so lets tell everyone they are criminals for that too. Time to man up and be a man, worry about yourself and your family, and stop crying because the world doesn't revolve around you!

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spike2

Jun-02-13 10:21 AM

Zook - are we going to make alcohol illegal. Plenty of health and public safety risks. Can we then make food that is truly bad for you illegal? Hayes, you assume C&Y removes a lot more children than they actually do. Smoking is way,way down the list. BTW, who's taking these kids we remove? As an aside, has anyone ever bought vegetables in a grocery store that stayed good for an unbelievable time period? I think there is a reason.

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CHayes

Jun-02-13 9:56 AM

" associating taking a smokers children away because they may learn bad habits from smokers is over the top"

Why? Cigarette smoke is a a known toxin. It contains not one or two, but 43 known carcinogens. If someone's hobby was collecting old transformers, and draining the PCB's out at the kitchen table while their child sat next to them, child protective services would remove the child from that environment without hesitation. Likewise, they will remove a child from a filthy home. Those things aren't controversial, why would this be?

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CaveFelem

Jun-02-13 9:46 AM

@spike2 - coughing is year round. It doesn't matter what season. It's a heavy, wet cough and it's gross. Many of us have tried to get this woman to see a doctor, or cut back on the smoking, but she says "it's just allergies". People in the office next to hers complain about the smell and coughing, but unfortunately, management can't or won't do anything. Hence the headphones and air fresheners.

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JohnZook

Jun-02-13 8:44 AM

You'd think the gov't would outlaw smoking because of the health risks, both perceived and real....... but there's that little thing called "taxes" on each pack. And the lawyers get huge cuts in settlements, (here's your cut DNC), so that ain't gonna happen.......

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spike2

Jun-02-13 8:20 AM

How many here had at least one parent who smoked? I'm just curious. My father smoked and I have none of the aforementioned ailments. Agreed that it is bad for health but I believe multiple factors interplay in the development of a disease.Cave -in fairness, do the cough all year or seasonal? Folks with allergies are "coughing up a lung" during pollen seasons. This year is particularly bad.

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CaveFelem

Jun-02-13 7:35 AM

The smokers have taken over the picnic tables outside at work, so I can't even go outside in the summer to eat my lunch. If I want to do that, I'll have to buy a fold up chair, find a place up wind of them, and hope the wind doesn't shift while I'm eating.

When they come back inside from their numerous smoke breaks throughout the day, and you have the misfortune of following them down the hall, gag!

And then there's the coughing. That's a joy too, when you have to try to concentrate on your work while someone is coughing up a lung. There's one woman where I work that coughs so much people have started wearing headphones so they don't have to listen to her. But that's just allergies, nothing to do with the packs of cigarettes she smokes. I'm sure that situation will resolve itself eventually.

And to top it off, one of our smokers (who smells like an ashtray) complains about "scents", like shampoos, perfume, scented candles, etc. I'd like to spray her with Glade.

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JabbaTheHutt

Jun-02-13 6:33 AM

I don't have a problem with someone downing a 5th of Jack and driving their car off a cliff either, but I don't want them on the road with me or other innocents to take us along on their "Highway to Hell". I agree with the point about the kid(s) in the car and the smoker just puffing away. Shows a total lack of respect toward anyone but the smoker. Then these people wonder why their kid has asthma and bitc# and moan about all the medical bills that come with that ailment. Not to mention the myriad of other diseases and ailments those poor kids could wind up with.

If you want to smoke and waste all that money on those god forsaken cancer sticks then by all means, go ahead. But at the same time, have some goddam respect for the rest of us!

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Tedeaux

Jun-02-13 5:20 AM

I understand what you're getting at Steve, but I also understand where the smoking public is coming from as well. Smoking is not a crime and associating taking a smokers children away because they may learn bad habits from smokers is over the top. They are smokers, not child molesters or murderers. Personally, I do not smoke, nor does anyone in my household, but I do have close relatives that still smoke. It is somehow un-American to limit smokers rights to light up and kill themselves one little puff at a time.

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