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More whine!

June 2, 2013

First we get a letter on how the Tea party is unjustly persecuted because 'others' are afraid. The Tea party is their own worst enemy....

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USABorn

Jun-06-13 3:36 AM

After reading these comments, it is a fact, "liberals really do like to whine."

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Bufftrev1

Jun-05-13 7:24 AM

Exactly, wm.. you've got nothing.

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WKnapp

Jun-05-13 5:45 AM

So Murtha was Tea Party? Who'd have thought that?

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Bufftrev1

Jun-04-13 6:28 PM

But the tea party is supposed to be all about cutting spending.. all about reducing the size of government.. except, apparently, when their own interests are involved. It appears what the votes party and republicans want is to cut 'other' peoples programs. As far as their own.. that's different.. that spending on rural airports isn't wasteful.

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WKnapp

Jun-04-13 4:45 PM

... and like Lycoming County Regional Airport, there's only one destination for departing flights, and the same source of all incoming flights.

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WKnapp

Jun-04-13 4:42 PM

Bufftrev1

Jun-04-13 9:33 AM Agree | Disagree

In addition, art fold, tea party endorsed congressmen/women have conducted business as usual in many cases. Claiming to want to vaguely, shrink government, these same tea party congressmen have quietly earmarked pork style funding for their own pet projects and constituents.. including funds to subsidize rural, underserved airports, used primarily by private planes in OK, Arkansas and AL..

Are we including the John Murtha Cambria County Airport, that has service to Dulles International Airport in DC, three flights a day during the week, one on Saturday, two on Sunday. Amazing for the size and capacity of the Murtha Airport. Was there a little pork involved there? Well, YEAH!!

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Ritty77

Jun-04-13 1:30 PM

ArtFold, Mr. Reeder did in fact attend the Tea Party rally at Brandon Park on August 29, 2009. I believe he took pictures and/or videos.

Perhaps Mr. Reeder will express here what his impressions were of that event.

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Bufftrev1

Jun-04-13 9:33 AM

In addition, art fold, tea party endorsed congressmen/women have conducted business as usual in many cases. Claiming to want to vaguely, shrink government, these same tea party congressmen have quietly earmarked pork style funding for their own pet projects and constituents.. including funds to subsidize rural, underserved airports, used primarily by private planes in OK, Arkansas and AL..

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spike2

Jun-04-13 8:44 AM

"Tea Party members are far better educated on the Constitution than any group on the left". This is exactly why groups fail. The , we know more than everyone, attitude is fallacious. There are individuals on both sides who are well versed in constitutional law and the amendments. Let's take the 4th Amendment and see who understands it, why the changes have occurred, who supported the evolving law, etc. We can skip the 2nd because this amendment is regularly discussed in the letters. How about everyone jumps in. Political party does not matter.

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ArtFold

Jun-04-13 8:09 AM

To Charles. M. Reeder: Sir, I challenge you to attend at least one Tea Party Meet-Up and find out firsthand about which you obviously know nothing. Tea Party members are far better educated on the Constitution than any group on the left. Also, brush up on Debate 101. Your knowledge of the meaning and purpose of a debate is sorely lacking. Have a good day. :-)

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Bufftrev1

Jun-03-13 9:39 PM

I could take the route of many conservatives on here and simply point out how your facts are not from a reliable source and therefore don't count. But, instead, I'll point out the obvious fallacy in the case you presented. We did not go into Iraq because Saddam Hussein had killed people. We went in because of the threat of wmds.. which did not exist. As proof, I offer three books written by people far more knowledgeable about than you or I.. people who were in the room when the deception was planned. The 1% Doctrine, Hubris and the one written by Alberto Gonzales's assistant AG..the name escapes me. And, to also point out the obvious.. the same case of a despotic leader killing hundreds of thousands of citizens, one who has explicitly threatened war with us and one who actually has nuclear weapons can be made for North Korea. They actually have wmds but we instead invaded.. Iraq. It was, is, and ever shall by Bush's folly, an unnecessary war.

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Premier

Jun-03-13 8:14 PM

Yes buffy, I know all about us arming Saddamn. What does that have to do with the FACTS I gave you?

Bob and weave, deny and conceive.

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WKnapp

Jun-03-13 4:36 PM

MrShaman

Jun-03-13 6:59 AM

...And, keeping local-tribes/religious-nut-jobs "under their thumb" (much like the Soviet Union did). Hell, that's why the U.S. has TRADITIONALLY financed/supported Right-Wing Dictators...like we'd done in Central America!!!

Still too dumb to admit there's NO SUCH THING as a RIGHT-WING DICTATOR! It's not possible! A dictator can claim to hate communism, but it's because he FEARS the communists will come and strip him of his power. He wants to keep his power trip all for himself, it's his left-wing dream, to keep those people under HIS OWN control. What's a so-called (though completely impossible!) "right-wing dictator" going to do? Force his people to exercise their freedoms? Make all the citizens vote for the candidate of their choice, allowing them to replace him by their choice? NO such thing as right wing dictators.

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spike2

Jun-03-13 11:59 AM

Tedeaux - Thanks! Just copied and saved!

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Bufftrev1

Jun-03-13 11:30 AM

And if you believe the nonsense quoted from Bobbie came from myself, then frankly you are as idiotic as bobbie is..

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Bufftrev1

Jun-03-13 11:27 AM

Premier.. you don't apparently know we supported and armed Saddam during the war with Iran. And, we went to war because of falsified intelligence about wmds that didn't exist. It's been well documented in books by people that were there. You can continue to try to justify it any way you like but history has already shown the entire event to have been utterly, completely and entirely unnecessary.. as well as unpaid for.

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MrShaman

Jun-03-13 6:59 AM

"Buff, what was the body count per week of innocent Iraqi civilians when Saddam Hussein was in charge?"

Dictators don't retain power by slaughtering their entire population. They retain power by terrifying their population." - CHayes

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...And, keeping local-tribes/religious-nut-jobs "under their thumb" (much like the Soviet Union did). Hell, that's why the U.S. has TRADITIONALLY financed/supported Right-Wing Dictators...like we'd done in Central America!!!

I'm guessing Lil' Dumbya wasn't much of a historian.

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MrShaman

Jun-03-13 6:53 AM

"As brutal as Saddam was, it was our unnecessary invasion that unleashed the floodgates.." - Bufftrev1

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...And, what was he expected to think, after we'd (already) been so generous with him??

See:

The U.S. Arming of Saddam Hussein - SourceWatch

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MrShaman

Jun-03-13 6:45 AM

"Yo MrShaman, when are you going to play the race card on the stuffed green pepper recipes?" - ToTEXASfromPA

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I guess I'm much-less-fearful (of the subject-at-hand), than you are.

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MrShaman

Jun-03-13 6:41 AM

"Buff, what was the body count per week of innocent Iraqi civilians when Saddam Hussein was in charge?

That war ultimately save hundred of thousands if not millions of Iraqi lives. But you won't mention that because it goes against your anti conservative principal's." - Premier

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If "saving hundred of thousands if not millions of Iraqi lives" was Lil' Dumbya's primary-objective, why didn't he SAY so?!!

Pre-War, he'd ALREADY suggested EVERYONE remembers/"reveres" a War-time President!! I guess he "forgot" his Daddy had done combat-time, prior to becoming a "War-time President", and had the good sense NOT to go into Iraq. Lil' Dumbya's efforts to cancel-out his Chickenhawk-status, with a War, "pretty"-much proves how ignorant he was of direct-participation in a War.

See:

Cheney: Iraq invasion "a Quagmire" (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Jun-03-13 6:22 AM

"I would get better news from the Marvel Comic books than from your posts. You need to go to "time-out." - ToTEXASfromPA

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No...you need to buy more Marvel Comic books. You're (quite) obviously more-committed to that strategy/resource.

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Premier

Jun-03-13 5:54 AM

And if what Bobbie post was actually a comment from you then you have NO credibility concerning anything that happened over there.

Misinformed? Yes.

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Premier

Jun-03-13 5:50 AM

Hey Buff, the numbers are easy to find if one was willing.

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000

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Bufftrev1

Jun-02-13 9:05 PM

Hi Chris.. I don't necessarily think the scrutiny is unwarranted either.. I wouldn't put any level of chicanery past a republican organization..

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gavinf56

Jun-02-13 9:03 PM

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Dec. 16, 1998

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