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Great concern

June 3, 2013

It is with great concern that I write this letter about the Loyalsock State Forest and the Commonwealth's secret negotiations with companies seeking private gain on this public land....

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Jun-06-13 10:30 AM

Drill drill more money for me then you guys who don't like it leave and I buy your land for peanuts while making cherries

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Jun-06-13 10:29 AM

Drill baby drilk

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Jun-04-13 9:43 AM

Wow!! As a capitalist, I am glad to see the improvements in people's lives from the income and job opportunities given by the gas companies. As one who loves and cherishes our river and mountains and "woods" I grew up in, I don't want to see anyone mess with it. Is there a position that will satisfy both sides? No. Is it a subject that the normal "give and take" will satisfy? No. You just can't "un-screw-up" a pristine environment, but there is a need for jobs and fossil fuels. My pay grade absolves me of these kinds of decisions. I'll leave it to Sham..........

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Jun-03-13 8:52 PM

I will 2nd that Ritty.

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Jun-03-13 8:37 PM

It seemed apparent to me that the DNCR believed its options were limited, that anyone wishing for an alternative course of action should pursue it through the State Legislature.

(Or perhaps through court challenge.)

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Jun-03-13 8:23 PM

I thought the DCNR put together an excellent presentation as to what lands were in question, what they were legally required to do, and what options were available to them.

The audience, which was perhaps a couple of hundred people, was permitted a question period, followed by a comment period. The majority of the questions and comments expressed general opposition to drilling on state lands. Some of the comments were well articulated, others not so much, all were passionately delivered.

Many of the frustrations expressed addressed concerns better aimed at other departments of government, such as the EPA, the State Legislature, and the Governor.

The meeting was loud, with a lot of shouted questions and comments from the crowd.

I left shortly after the two hour mark and there were 15 or 20 people still waiting in line to deliver their comments.

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Jun-03-13 7:35 PM

I would like to again offer my sincere thanks to Erik, Texas, and all the other hard workers and investors who make available for purchase the natural gas, oil, and coal that heats my home, fuels my SUV, and powers my personal computer.


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Jun-03-13 7:21 PM


Any information that you can share?

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Jun-03-13 6:58 PM

Well, THAT was an interesting meeting.

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Jun-03-13 6:35 PM

Francine, I am glad that you liked the travelogue. Believe me that it was much more fun doing it than writing about it.

Unfortunately, the Hiawatha, the Williamsport Transportation Museum, and the Trolley/Bus Tours through Williamsport were not operating when we called during the week. Since summer is officially here now, they should be running.

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Jun-03-13 3:45 PM


The same could be sad of your side.

We are over three years into, what will be over 100 years of gas drilling.

As technology progresses, we will reach deeper, more accurately and have higher yields from every well.

Solar, wind and most alternatives cannot keep up with oil & gas advancements, despite the hundreds of billions given in green subsidies.

Hydrocarbons are here to stay and face little risk from hysterically ill-informed people.

There is a reason that private investment into oil & gas is accelerating.

Perhaps some find it difficult to keep up with REAL capitalistic progress.

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Jun-03-13 1:21 PM

erik.....jump off the gas industry bandwagon, we are tired of the same old same old!

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Jun-03-13 10:40 AM

Oh by the way erik, I do work for free 20 hours a week processing claims for Veterans so they can get their compensation and drive the DAV van for the VA Clinic. They offered to pay me, but I said no.

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Jun-03-13 10:16 AM

Hey erik, your opinion is worthless to me!!

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Jun-03-13 10:12 AM


When you work for free, then you can criticize others who pursue money.

Your all-or-nothing view invalidates anything you type afterward.

No industry is without regulations and oversight.

If you do not trust gov't regulators to do their job, then abolish gov't.

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Jun-03-13 9:48 AM

Nothing is sacred when all you cared about is money, one does not sell the land that people walk on.

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Jun-03-13 9:17 AM


The oil company that I work for does not have any Marcellus operations in PA, NY, OH, etc. My company's primary focus is oil production; we are in TX, NM, CA, ND, and CO. If anything, the natural gas production is competition and could only work to hurt my company. In addition, I do favor coal for base load of power plants; use natural gas for peak load power plants, heat in homes/businesses and fleet vehicles like busses.

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Jun-03-13 7:38 AM

This is just a way to destroy the coal industry.

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Jun-03-13 6:52 AM

My conclusion is the gas industry can co-exist with nature and the communities; some education and flexibility are needed from all to enhance it.

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Jun-03-13 6:51 AM


Mining activities and lumbering industry had created far more damage. Some did complain about housing costs, especially for those on fixed incomes but some felt there would be trickle down to increased salaries in non-gas-related businesses. A few bad apples dumped some fluids into a stream to take a short cut but overall the gas companies are trying very hard to ensure good environmental policies are being followed and are taking extra efforts to prevent any damage. Some have expanded their environmental departments and hired local people with environmental degrees to help. Many of the people from TX and LA are polite and say yes sir and yes mam. Probably one of the biggest short-comings is that many local people don't understand the gas operations and that a better job of education and sharing information could be done, for those that truly want to learn.

My conclusion is the gas industry can co-exist with nature and the communities; some education and fl

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Jun-03-13 6:49 AM


You know what I found. Most people thought it added economic benefits to the region while creating some inconvenience on traffic and roads. If people were willing to work hard and could pass a drug test, they could find a good job. Penn College has modified it's programs to help provide a skilled work force. Farmers who were about to lose farms could now hold on to them and pass them down to the next generation. The P/L ROWs through the trees and mountains were reseeded and turning green; they looked better than the roads and power line ROWs that cut through similar areas. The farms from over a century ago have removed more forest lands/trees. Some roads are not designed for all the traffic and need to be improved.


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Jun-03-13 6:49 AM

I was "back home" and visited all around the area last week to get first hand information on the impacts of the drilling activities. I drove from Muncy up thru Muncy Valley, from Picture Rocks across to Eder's Ice Cream, around Energy Park just west of Muncy, over to Montgomery where service companies offices are located, drove from Williamsport up past Trout Run on 15, drove from Montoursville to Forksville to Canton to Troy to Mansfield to Wellboro to Morris down Pine Creek to Jersey Shore, along the roads in Montoursville where the service companies offices are. I visited with people in Katie's Country Store, Lycoming Mall, Pennsdale church, High School Reunion, Forksville General Store, Sylvania Antique Store, Mansfield's Arby, Little Grand Canyon Visitor Center, Williamsport Restaurants, Woolrich Store, etc, etc.


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Jun-03-13 6:26 AM

The whole of the Loyalsock is Sacred Land to Native Americans.

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Jun-03-13 6:26 AM

Hysteria, hype and hyperbole with no regard for FACTS.

State forests were created in order to ensure a supply of timber would be available for state residents. In 1995, the legislation was updated to include fostering the use of the state forests for recreation, access and promoting waterways.

Many of those who oppose drilling for natural gas would oppose timbering in the same forests.

Some do not believe in conservation, but preservation, which excludes all human uses.

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