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The Left’s rationale

June 6, 2013

In the Letters To The Editor comments section, several members of the Left state they are proud liberals. They don’t, however, tell us the reasons they are proud liberals....

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spike2

Jun-08-13 6:16 PM

Spike says: 3 Cheers for rmiller! You go girl!

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rmiller

Jun-08-13 5:32 PM

"Not one of those men is cheating on his own, it takes two and in some cases I have seen more."

Coming from someone who has never been married Chuck, your bit of bitterness rails on your post. No one here is doubting that it "takes two" and clearly women cheat, perhaps more than they used to. But, as a previous bartender in my sinful life time, more men left the bar with someone other than their wife. That's a fact that irrefutable.

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rmiller

Jun-08-13 5:29 PM

Spike,

Thank you for your kind words. I've often appreciated your more balanced approach to social issues and the political spectrum. I've not always agreed------:) but I do appreciate the balance. I love the post you just made, all too familiar!

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CMReeder

Jun-08-13 1:26 PM

Not one of those men is cheating on his own, it takes two and in some cases I have seen more.

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spike2

Jun-08-13 9:40 AM

rmiller - I would love to meet you. I think I lived a part of your original dream. I absolutely support your intolerance of infidelity. I laughed yesterday. A photo was shared online. A woman was riding on a bus or train commute in the Philadelphia area. She was alone and listened to"the guys" behind her talking about their girlfriends and their wives being clueless. She snapped a picture with her I-Phone and posted asking women to share. Could become a dangerous world when women stick together and post the pictures of cheaters. Thanks so much for allowing me to share snippets of your life! Have a wonderful weekend.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 10:38 PM

not so understanding of those women who stay it stems from the "do I have choices here in this nightmare, because I've been there, done it..

Women have many resources today, that I didn't have at 20+ years. And, while my road to my Savior was a rocky one for certain....again....He saw the big picture. There is a song out and there is a verse in it that says, "When others saw a Shepard Boy, God saw a King." The song is about King David of Israel. I think about my son, my past and where I am and I thank God Almighty for the times He spared my life, just to bring my son forward to bring Him glory...and he does...my son is my hero.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 10:29 PM

versus what the curriculum taught. I've always enjoyed learning. I've always been a researcher and take nothing at face value, except God's Word. Even with Christ in my life, when I'm reading the Bible, I use Strong's Concordance because I want to connect the dots, if you will. Despite my incessant desire to "witness" there are people on this forum, along with another couple that I would love to put a face to. God has done so many things in my life, and saved me from more than just my "sins"....He has literally saved me from the pits of h e l l in my former lifetime. You mentioned a battered woman situation? Twelve years of my life were spent in and out of consciousness and or hospital visits to a former husband. I didn't leave because of many reasons but the one that kept me tied was "the traditional marriage" view...you get married for life, for better or worse. When infidelity kicked in, I found a way to get out. If I sound not so tolerant, or

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 10:17 PM

Spike, My major was Human Services. My colleagues and I would jest about the fact that we would always have a job, but never make any real money. I was about six months from my Bachelor's Degree and had maintained a 3.75 average at 40 years + in age. I've often wondered if I made the right decision on quitting. I'm certain only that the man I'm married to was God's choice for me. He (God) saw down the road what I could not see. My husband is 14 yrs. my senior. He is a terrific step dad and it was his resources and finances that enabled my son to go to a Bible College and become the young pastor and wonderful husband and dad that he is. I thank God for both my boys :). You asked about what I would have pursued after college? I wanted to become (whatever additional training that would require) a criminal profiler and or hostage negotiator. I'm O.K. about my decision because I couldn't be happier. College, for me was often an internal battle between what I knew to be truth

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spike2

Jun-07-13 9:24 PM

rmiller - Thank you. I am very happy for you and your family. May I ask if you were "sorry" you didn't finish college or did you? What did you originally see as your career while in college? Congrats on being a great Mom and a wife who fought for her marriage. I bet you are a very proud Grandmom!Thanks so much for sharing your life.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 6:15 PM

marriage back together. I was typing a post and hit the backspace button and lost an entire post. So, if this should come through as a double, I am sorry. There are thousands, if not millions of women who are successful and have determined that they will do it all..marriage, children career. I personally do not believe God wanted that in a "traditional marriage." For instance, my son is a full time pastor, works 40 hours a week at a company and still is a dad and a husband. My daughter-in-law is a stay at home mother/wife. She is an accomplished pianist and multi-talented and a help mate to my son in his work at the church. I can stand back and say, "hey, this is how God designed it and it works." No welfare, no divorce, no "loveless" couple. There are millions around the world, either secular or Christian who stay married because it is right for so many reasons. For myself, many of my family members, however God puts the joy in the marriage.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 6:02 PM

cont.

that should have read, "become a single mother." Further down the road, however, I met a man who I married and he, along with my son's grandfather have been the "father" to my son. I share this to speak to the "single parent perspective. Bottom line, God had other plans for my life and He used my son to become a Pastor. Two years after my son was born, I knew I had to better my life, so I went to college while my parents took care of my son, along with cleaning homes for additional income. I met my husband while I was in my fourth year of college. We got married, he didn't care if I worked or finished my college degree. So, I became what is rapidly becoming the "better choice" and became a "stay at home mom." You asked about a loveless marriage? Three years into our marriage, my husband and I separated because he thought he made a mistake. Our then Pastor, and then additional counseling and the power of God brought our marr

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 5:52 PM

Cont.

Now, if she is not married, and the couple part company and she remains single, but chooses to raise the child..later falls in love...with someone else..gets married...now she is in a traditional marriage. For me, a traditional marriage is a man, a woman and maybe children. Not all couples want children, rather careers. Do I think this is what God wanted for mankind? He instituted marriage and He supports having children, but He also speaks to those who desire not to have children, or a marriage for that matter, being more useful for Him because an individual's focus can be more about Him and not a spouse. It's complex from my perspective because I can't help but see things from God's perspective. I was single when my son was born. The father didn't want to marry me, and indeed wanted me to have an abortion. It was not God's will (nor do I personally believe it should happen in a secular world either) for me to complicate my life and become a single matter, cont.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 5:44 PM

Spike,

Because you know that I am a Christian, I also believe that God did indeed institute marriage as explained in Genesis. Consequently, marriage is between a man and a woman. Now, traditional? I won't be presumptuous to expect those who don't believe God created marriage so I will try to offer my personal insight. Still believing (to include before I was saved) that marriage is between a man and a woman, life designed by any other avenue is problematic. For instance, obviously when a woman gets pregnant and she is single, but perhaps both parents do love each other, it seems "right" to do "right" and get married. Cont.

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spike2

Jun-07-13 2:48 PM

rmiller- what do you think should be the "standard" to divorce in a loveless marriage? Do you think women can't be successful and unmarried? Why the necessity for a man or is this only when children are involved? How do you view "traditional" in your own words?

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USABorn

Jun-07-13 2:32 PM

Welfare was meant as a hand-up, not a hammock!

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 2:30 PM

Rick,

You might, but I'm surmising that most don't.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 2:30 PM

Spike,

The "traditional family" is and has been under attack in this country for decades. Abusive marriages you reference do not constitute a majority of those married. Divorce is handed out like candy and single women are encouraged to "be single" and "here's how to cope." The media hypes on Hollywood martyrs that are far from role model behaviors, etc.

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rick424

Jun-07-13 2:23 PM

"do you really believe that any of us actually check out your suggested sites, resources, news outlets, video U Tubes, etc?"

Yes I do, along with those suggested from the right.

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MrShaman

Jun-07-13 2:06 PM

"I swear the right with all their indignation worships the Golden Calf and not God." - CMReeder

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Which would explain THEIR version of "The Golden Rule": "Those with all the Gold, make the rules."

Who KNEW all o' those folks on Wall Street...and, in Corporate America...were (merely) "misunderstood Christians"???

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MrShaman

Jun-07-13 1:59 PM

CHaurs said:

"And to your christian mind, if they don't have the resources, the child can starve, right?"

Any parent that would let their own child starve to death does not have a place in a civilized society.

Proving, again, that liberal policies fill our communities with human filth..." - eriklatranyi

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AGAIN, with the Nazi/"Master Race" terminology??

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spike2

Jun-07-13 10:17 AM

Bobbie - you skipped this one:"In 1995, nearly six of 10 children living with mothers only were near the poverty line. About 45 percent of children raised by divorced mothers and 69 percent by never-married mothers lived in or near poverty, which was $13,003 for a family of three in 1998." This has remained consistent. This study is rather old. The substance abuse numbers have evened out. BDAP is a better source on current stats. Liberals have not destroyed marriage. At least admit women no longer stay in physically or verbally abusive marriages. Men no longer stay in marriage with irreconcilable differences. There are several posters who have divorced at some point. You do have to examine other contributing factors. There is no mention of abuse, a huge factor in juvenile deviance. Here is the dilemma, the once "sanctity" of marriage is not returning. Would you rather many of these girls not have birth control available? negatively, Check stats of inmate deliveries

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JohnZook

Jun-07-13 10:15 AM

Reeder that was sick, no more to be said.

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CMReeder

Jun-07-13 9:59 AM

The right is only interested in the souls not the child and their well being.

I swear the right with all their indignation worships the Golden Calf and not God.

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rmiller

Jun-07-13 9:53 AM

""And to your christian mind, if they don't have the resources, the child can starve, right?" "

Great points Eric with respect to this post!

I might add that along with the liberals who claim somehow that the children shouldn't starve because of unmotivated parents that you have no problem with splitting their skulls open when they are completely defenseless before they get a chance to starve to death...guess Hayes must see some strange logic in that thinking.

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eriklatranyi

Jun-07-13 9:18 AM

CHaurs said:

"And to your christian mind, if they don't have the resources, the child can starve, right?"

Any parent that would let their own child starve to death does not have a place in a civilized society.

Proving, again, that liberal policies fill our communities with human filth who are supported with the tax dollars of decent, honest, hardworking citizens.

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