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The Hitler obsession

June 6, 2013

Why is our culture so obsessed with Hitler? The liberals called Bush Hitler every other day, and now the conservatives have taken a cue from them and call Obama Hitler....

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rmiller

Jun-08-13 11:09 PM

I forgot to add Chris, that this is a stretch even for you to be comfortable with the govt.'s explanations. Come on...

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rmiller

Jun-08-13 11:07 PM

Hayes,

"Again, this program targets foreign communications that travel through the US on route to their foreign destination."

Given the mountain of lies this administration has on record, not you, nor any one of us here knows what the internal security details truly are. If we've learned nothing else from this govt. (and I mean both sides) is that we can't trust a single thing coming out of their mouths.

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CHayes

Jun-08-13 6:28 AM

"What we DO know is that the administration has CLAIMED this program has stopped at least one terrorist attack."

So by "administration", you mean the Republican Chair of the House Intelligence Committee? Because that's who I heard make the claim.

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WKnapp

Jun-07-13 11:55 PM

CMReeder

Jun-07-13 10:21 AM

This is all to fight terrorism. This was the rationale for the Patriot Act. Now the right objects to it well not of the right. Those who support national security still support the Patriot Act. This is what the Patriot Act allows the government to do. It was renewed without much dissension from either side.

Senator Obama squealed like a pig about the Patriot Act, campaigning that he intended to repeal it as one of his early items of business after the election. I guess he opposed it before he endorsed it, huh?

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WKnapp

Jun-07-13 11:49 PM

CHayes

Jun-07-13 7:57 AM

We know this program has stopped at least one terrorist attack.

Ummm... actually, NO we don't 'know this program has stopped at least one terrorist attack.' What we DO know is that the administration has CLAIMED this program has stopped at least one terrorist attack. With Obama's propensity for taking liberties with the truth, how can we trust the claim?

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spike2

Jun-07-13 12:37 PM

CHayes - hopefully. That is fine with me.I don't believe every email is read and am sure a flagging system exists. How do we really know what is ever done? We have a handful of people on either side of politics who happen to be wealthy and connected enough to win an election. I don't think any of these people are the best or brightest, they can just raise the funds to do what is necessary.

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 10:57 AM

Hi spike. The Prism Program is not directed at you or anyone else on American soil. If a communication you were involved in with someone outside the country were targeted, it would require a court order for the govt to examine the content. If your info got collected through what they are calling incidental collection, the NSA is required to file a report and discard the data.

Again, this program targets foreign communications that travel through the US on route to their foreign destination.

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spike2

Jun-07-13 10:37 AM

Well everyone, guess it;s time for a $th Amendment conversation re: Search and Seizure. I still want more info on the method of "hitting" calls and e-mail.I am less offended if Court Order is required to actually read. We have better, faster and global internet access. What are the limits of intrusion in the interest of national security in your opinions?

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CMReeder

Jun-07-13 10:21 AM

This is all to fight terrorism. This was the rationale for the Patriot Act. Now the right objects to it well not of the right. Those who support national security still support the Patriot Act. This is what the Patriot Act allows the government to do. It was renewed without much dissension from either side.

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 7:57 AM

Tex, this WAS approved by the court. The name of the judge that approved it is Roger Vinson. He's a federal court judge that was appointed by President Reagan.

Gavin, no I'm not actually outraged yet, at least not by what you are. Again court approved, and limited in scope. Do you have a FB acct (rhetorical question)? If so, you reveal more information to anyone that wants to look, than was revealed to the govt in this case.

What does concern me, and should concern every patriotic American, is how details of a highly classified program were leaked to the press.

Also, I'm still waiting for someone to answer the question I posed. We know this program has stopped at least one terrorist attack. If that attack were the scope of the 9/11 attacks, and thousands of US lives were saved, would you still oppose it?

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CMReeder

Jun-07-13 7:55 AM

You think they are the only ones.

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gavinf56

Jun-07-13 7:39 AM

Hey Chris, now it is being revealed that they are collecting our emails too. Outraged yet?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-07-13 6:42 AM

CHayes, I haven't cross referenced the websites that you Gavin and Erik have been listing, but when I read the second paragraph (3rd sentence) of Erik's post, I don't see any mis-statement; he appears to be providing a specificity.

"No, the courts did not approve this request for data. The power comes from the Patriot Act that President Obama renewed after criticizing it during the 2008 campaign.

If they want content, then they need to get a court order."

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 6:32 AM

"I'm simply saying this is much worse than that."

Actually it's visa versa.

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 6:31 AM

"Come on Chris, when Bush asked for phone records from Verizon and ATT, many on the left went into a tizzy. You can't just deny that didn't happen."

I didn't in any way deny anything. What I said was this instance was less severe because it differed in several ways. It was ordered by a court, it was limited in scope, and it had a target.

The metadata collection you pointed to covered ALL carriers and aimed to create a database of every phone call ever placed in the US, it had no court authorization, and didn't have a specific target.

In fact what liberals REALLY went crazy about was when a whistleblower revealed that the govt had installed some sort of giant data collection tech in an off limits room at Verizon in San Francisco, that ALL phone and email traffic was piped through.

I'm simply saying this is much worse than that.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-07-13 6:31 AM

RMiller, good morning. Hope you are well. Marsha likewise enjoyed talking with and meeting you. Hope that you didn't mind the unexpected intrusion; I enjoyed seeing the reaction on your face. And I was glad that blue jeans and boots were non-judgemental attire in a church service; that helps me know where the true heart of a congregation is. Even though I am not much of a music person, I was impressed by the orchestra.

Google "business insider That Hitler looks like a teapot". The picture in that article gave a good resemblance. Like I said, it is somewhat an optical illusion and my eyes focused on the area within the round handle; it looks like the face. Then the pot looks like the upper torso with the shine on the pot looking like a button line on a shirt. The spout looks like an upraised arm with a hand on top.

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 6:22 AM

For erik who said this wasn't ordered by a judge:

"On Wednesday, the Guardian broke the story that the National Security Agency is “currently collecting the telephone records of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon … under a top secret court order issued in April.” The order, issued by the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on April 25, gives the NSA the authority to collect Verizon phone records “on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this Order,” ending on July 19, when it must be renewed. The judge that issued the most recent order? Roger Vinson, of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida."

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 6:19 AM

"...and nearly everyone of you on the left went absolute bat dung over this when Bush did it."

Been by the Huffington Post this morning?

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CHayes

Jun-07-13 6:17 AM

"Now did you notice this little snippet Chris "This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations.""

Sure I did Gavin. And did you notice that there wasn't court authorization for that program, AND it had unlimited scope? This collection we are talking about WAS authorized by a judge, was limited to 3 months of records from one specific carrier, and apparently had a specific target in mind, because the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee said it stopped a terrorist attack.

Again, I'm not willing to say right now that I support or oppose it, as I don't have enough information as to what initiated it, and may never.

I'm curious Gavin, if this stopped a terrorist attack the scope of the 9/11 attacks would you support it, or still oppose it? How about an attack the size of the Boston attack?

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rmiller

Jun-06-13 10:39 PM

L S D

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rmiller

Jun-06-13 10:17 PM

Come on Texas......How are you? How is Marsha? Seriously, I didn't see Hitler in the tea pot, so I must be missing something.

Good research WKnapp! :)

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rmiller

Jun-06-13 10:14 PM

Whoever saw Hitler on the JC Penny tea pot must be still taking ***.

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spike2

Jun-06-13 9:46 PM

My favorite agree/disagree is when a poster has direct knowledge through personal experience and then some disagree. I'm sure this happens to nearly everyone but to dispute an individual's direct knowledge is ridiculous.

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WKnapp

Jun-06-13 9:39 PM

CHayes

Jun-06-13 8:21 AM "Chris, just Google Bush=Hitler. You should get more than enough examples to help refresh your memory."

I just did, and found a couple of examples to be sure, but most of what comes up relates to the criticism that President Bush's grandfather was a banker that helped fund Hitler. I don't really think that's the same thing. You may disagree.

"... most of what comes up relates to the criticism that President Bush's grandfather was a banker that helped fund Hitler..." This is true only if five hits comprises "most" of the top twenty hits. Four of the first twenty hits are for Haddock Investments. The remaining ELEVEN hits directly reference leftists either comparing Bush to Hitler or claiming that Bush IS Hitler. Math isn't your strong suit, is it Hughesy?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-06-13 9:11 PM

"To make things worse, people are even seeing Hitler in JC Penney teapots."

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Actually the billboard advertisement resembles Hitler. Somewhat an optical illusion but it does resemble him. Google it and look at the billboard picture.

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