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Not for the people

June 11, 2013

I attended the hearing on gas drilling plans by Anadarko Petroleum in the Loyalsock State Forest held by the Pennsylvania House Democratic Policy Committee at Lycoming College....

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CarlHiller

Jun-11-13 5:06 AM

Francine, I couldn't agree any more.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-11-13 6:20 AM

"she put a lie to her statements of how close she feels to the area."

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How do you know she doesn't care for the area? Just because she doesn't believe like you, she is lying!!

The gas industry has been an economic boost to the area by helping farmers have a second source of income so they can keep their farms and pass them down for generations. It has provided high salary employment for those who were willing to develop the necessary skills; this money in turn supports the local economies and businesses. The initial clearing of forests can look like unattractive but given time to reseed and grow new vegetation, it helps sustain wildlife populations of deer, turkey, insects, birds and many other animals. Directional drilling of multiple wells from a single pad can minimize footprints. Tax revenues are further used to support other projects that benefit many in the area. The gas industry can co-exist.

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BornHere

Jun-11-13 6:47 AM

People of this area do not want drilling in the Loyalsock State Forest period.

No one is listening to what theses people want because our politicians only listen to these needs of the industries because they fill their pockets with MONEY, this is happening all across the US.

So yes Francine I agree with you.

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BornHere

Jun-11-13 6:51 AM

"the needs" sorry.

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rick424

Jun-11-13 7:46 AM

There are all kinds of videos on youtube that show how gas industry representatives react to the public at various meetings. They pretend to care but bottom line, they will do what they want and make you believe you want it. But the fight is getting stronger as more and more people are understanding just what is going on. Not just in this state but other states and other countries as well. In NY the industry is going to sue townships that dared to ban fracing. And those that dare to stand up against a pipeline going through their property. So much for property rights. Try and fight a multinational company, you will lose.

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nobud74

Jun-11-13 7:49 AM

I agree Tex. With proper oversight the drilling on State lands can help all of the residents of this state. I believe the author was upset because the rep from Anadarko didn't stick around to be grilled, chastised and berated by the audience. Can you blame her? Would you? I think we all know the procedure of drilling and fracking. There really was no need for her to stay and be verbally assaulted. Had she stayed and you all got your crack at her and nothing changed would you be happier?

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-11-13 7:53 AM

To Texas from PA-if she works for a gas company she will carefully craft her words to stay within the law but the end result is for the benefit of her corporation.Whats truly right doesnt matter. These gas companies care about profits and will take whatever they can get thats for sure.They will ultimatley drill in the Loyalsock State forest because they have endless coffers of money to beat down the common citizen in court. They will use our states laws against us whenever and wherever they can.Ask anybody that signed a lease and ask them if they truly get what they were told they would get.Read up on the Guaranteed Minimum Royalty Act, even our own State wont stand behind it's citizens. They (the state) call it a Guaranteed Minmum Act that is supposed to get the property owner 12.5% then turn around and allow the gas companies to take all kinds of fees from the landownwer.This is just one way in which they take from the landowners and there are many more.

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BornHere

Jun-11-13 7:58 AM

Thank you, Mr. Paternostro.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-11-13 8:05 AM

No Bud- if you think she hasn't been "grilled" before you are mistaken. She has more than likely been trained by her company on what to say and what not to say. The way that some of the gas companies operate opens them up to this and they deserve every bit that they get. If you have to deal with them you had better hire an experienced lawyer who know all of their dirty little tricks. It goes alot further than just drilling or fracking it goes towards how they treat people, that is where they need to learn.Throw "fences" in their way every chance we get and cost them the thing that drives them the most, MONEY!

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nobud74

Jun-11-13 8:39 AM

Mr. Paternostro, I understand and know exactly what you are saying. I just can't see why anyone would expect someone to stand there and take it. That is an unreasonable expectation.

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rick424

Jun-11-13 8:49 AM

" I just can't see why anyone would expect someone to stand there and take it."

That is what they are trained to do, Take companies like Romney's Bain Capital. Those guys that go in there and hatchet all those jobs are trained to do so and it just rolls of their back and they sleep well at night.

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pinecr

Jun-11-13 8:57 AM

DCNR, the State and the gas industry are making money together so they do not care about the environment, the people or our forests. We need to impeach the governor, stop all permits and send the gas industry packing until further environmental and health studies can be done. These hearings are a joke....wake up people, they do not care about us!

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-11-13 8:58 AM

Nobud- they wouldnt have to deal with these kind of reactions if they would be considerate and honest and showed some compassion and understand why people dont want them in rock run. Is nothing sacred?

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pinecr

Jun-11-13 9:00 AM

And Texas, the gas industry did not help the farmers find a second income, the farmers took the money because they were lied to by the gas industry and now they will pack up and move away and there goes less farms to feed the people, but then that is ok, because the goverment wants us dependent on them so we can buy from the government owned farms as a higher price. After all how are the farmers going to continue to farm when their water is polluted, the ground is polluted and their cattle are sick...it is going on right now in Wellsboro.

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CMReeder

Jun-11-13 9:18 AM

"How do you know she doesn't care for the area? Just because she doesn't believe like you, she is lying!!"

Did you read the letter? She did not stay and listen to what others at the meeting had to say, good and bad. She had her and the company she represents say and then she left. Who does she really care for?

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nobud74

Jun-11-13 10:32 AM

The problem here is all those who have a problem with the gas companies (and corporations in general) is that you expect well mannered and compassionate behavior from an entity that has at it's core the desire to succeed and prosper and that desire at times will step on others to achieve the goal. As long as the corp operates within the bounds established by our wonder govt, then all the griping means nothing and you cannot expect them to stand there and be berated--would you?

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BornHere

Jun-11-13 11:17 AM

Their goal is to make money and lots of it.

So who cares if they step on others to achieve that goal.

I'm sorry I don't find that very business like, kinda sounds like the old M A F I A doesn't it?

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nobud74

Jun-11-13 11:47 AM

BornHere, no, not Mafia. I'm not justifying any wrongdoing, I am simply saying that to expect a corp to behave compassionately is a pipe dream. Their sole responsibility is to the stockholder and the profit of the corp. Right or wrong, that is the way it is and if you want to change that you need to get the board and stockholders to buy into it. Short of that you are spinning your wheels.

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nobud74

Jun-11-13 11:49 AM

And all of you who hate corps, your retirement plan and investments depend on the corp being healthy and profitable. Just sayin'.

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CMReeder

Jun-11-13 12:27 PM

Griping and berating, would you stand there? I guess on top of everything else they are cowards. They have provoked and alarmed and they can't face opposition.

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CMReeder

Jun-11-13 12:30 PM

"And all of you who hate corps, your retirement plan and investments depend on the corp being healthy and profitable."

Retire to what; ravage landscape, pollution, inequality.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-11-13 12:59 PM

cm reeder- finally something we agree on! Thanks.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-11-13 1:45 PM

"Their goal is to make money and lots of it.

So who cares if they step on others to achieve that goal."

Sounds like WalMart to me.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-11-13 1:45 PM

no bud- i understand, i run a "corp", but it doesn't justify being unethical, fair ect.

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nobud74

Jun-11-13 1:52 PM

Mr. Paternostro, it is how YOU run your corp and how I run mine that is important. We and those who wring their hands and cry foul against corps cannot change what they are. The corp will reflect leadership. If you want to affect change you have to get to the leadership. Some spokesman doesn't have to stand there and have verbal rotten tomatoes thrown at them to please a crowd bent on only believing what they want. I'm not taking sides on the merits of drilling here, just stating the way it is and there are many who only want their pound of flesh. But, since they can't get to the leadership or won't seek it, they want to exact it from an employee. Would you expect your employee to take a verbal beating for your decisions? I don't think so.

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