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June 14, 2013

Mr. Underwood wants to know what is a liberal proud of. I will let someone else answer that for me and other liberal....

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USABorn

Jun-16-13 4:06 AM

Hayes seems to forget...

Obama didn't like the 5 year cap so he saw to it that states could have waivers in order to work around the cap and allow them to provide assistance without having to enforce the work component of the program.

Amazing how he forgets anything detrimental to his Messiah.

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rmiller

Jun-15-13 2:12 PM

And to dispute one more assertion that is presented as a "facto" via Hayes. The term, "welfare" is still used.

Here is a link, that will explain in truth what Hayes is putting a spin to, for those who care to know truth.

h t t p : / / w w w . ehow . com / info _ 775650 5_ personal-work-opportunity - act - 1996 . h t m l

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rmiller

Jun-15-13 2:06 PM

Wayne,

Thanks for your commendation as to my end of story comments. I did not want to share this with anyone, it is not an area in my life I am proud of. I was already in sin, when I got pregnant out of wedlock. God has since forgiven me. I worked up until I was 37 years of age and two doctors had told me I would never conceive, so for me, the risk was minimal. Abortion was not an option and I quit work into my second month of pregnancy and stayed with my Mom until I could get some assistance for my medical care and food stamps to eat. Because I never had family members on assistance, the entire process of getting assistance was an embarrassment, along with having to hand out the stamps when I went through the register. I was sooo thankful to get off it....

Hayes, Pull a statement, any statement where I have bashed people on welfare (since you personally use the word, but say it isn't called that). I have no patience for lazy or unmotivated people, period.

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CHayes

Jun-15-13 8:08 AM

" Nope. The reference is clearly for the career welfare people,"

Considering that Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996, placed a 5 year lifetime cap on receiving federally funded benefits, and 7 years is 2 years longer than that, I'd call that a career.

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WKnapp

Jun-14-13 11:54 PM

What kind of chutzpa does it take to cop to being on assistance for 7 long years, and at the same time attack people who are currently on assistance? Incredible.

Nope. The reference is clearly for the career welfare people, who NEVER work or do anything to become self-reliant. I have no problem with people being on welfare, so long as it's not going to be a lifestyle.

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WKnapp

Jun-14-13 11:49 PM

Who died and left you in charge of declaring what's right and wrong anyway? It's been seventeen years without any repeats, he's now productive and learned a valuable lesson. We're human, we make mistakes. He did what he had to do to become productive, and didn't allow the so-called 'social safety net' to become a hammock, like so many other people do. I say "GREAT JOB!"

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WKnapp

Jun-14-13 11:44 PM

Christopher, what difference does it make? No laws were broken!

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 11:31 PM

"When I had my son, twenty four years ago, I received stamps and medical assistance. I didn't want to live on it, as none of my family ever did, so I decided to go to school two years after my son was born. I worked part time, but still received the food stamps and medical assistance until my son was seven years old."

Republicans ALWAYS have their hand out. In this case for 7 years. So you CHOSE to go to school, and allowed the taxpayers to fund your CHOICE to have a child?

What kind of chutzpa does it take to cop to being on assistance for 7 long years, and at the same time attack people who are currently on assistance? Incredible.

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 11:26 PM

"Here's a fact: I believe someone on here made the statement that since 1990, the cap for welfare recipients is five years."

Nope. That was me, and that's not what I said at all. I said that welfare reform was passed in the 90's that put a 5 year lifetime cap on TANF benefits. You see Relene, there isn't a thing called 'welfare" anymore. It was replaced with a Program called Temporary (you like that word) Aid to Needy Families (TANF).

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 11:23 PM

"As for your comment, you confuse the drug testing welfare recipients with privately hired CEOs and Tea Party groups are also private enterprises who do not benefit financially from the American taxpayer."

Surely you jest. Corporations don't get handouts? A 100% tax exemption for a tea party group isn't a taxpayer funded handout?

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rmiller

Jun-14-13 10:58 PM

cont.

So, please don't tell us that there is a cap and that most folks don't want to be on welfare. Today, because of the govt. trying to make these welfare folks comfortable and not embarrassed, they've handed a credit card type of money exchange, makes it more obscure about how many folks are living on the system. I don't divulge this info. easily, because it wasn't a part of my life I was proud about. I never got cash assistance because I worked part time and with my student loans, I had enough to live on. Not one conservative on this forum has ever alluded to or stated that he/she doesn't want to help people when they need help. I realize that by sharing this, I may have lost some of my conservative friends, but I don't want the loss to be filled with liberals because the system is broke. And please liberals, don't take advantage of an opportunity to say, "See, it does work." No...I worked all my life, got involved with a man who couldn't commit and walked away.

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rmiller

Jun-14-13 10:43 PM

Here's a fact: I believe someone on here made the statement that since 1990, the cap for welfare recipients is five years. Please allow me to dispel the myth. When I had my son, twenty four years ago, I received stamps and medical assistance. I didn't want to live on it, as none of my family ever did, so I decided to go to school two years after my son was born. I worked part time, but still received the food stamps and medical assistance until my son was seven years old. At that juncture in my life, I met a man who loved me, and two years later, we married. Do the math. As soon as I was married, all assistance stopped, as well it should and my husband wanted an at home wife/mother. If you believe the lie of the five year cap, think again. Had I not married )after four years of college, I would have probably been on the system until I completed college and found a job. I hated it, I was embarrassed to pull out the stamps, or hand out a medical card. cont.

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GoBB62

Jun-14-13 9:41 PM

Still waiting on sham to tell me my previous comment came from porky limbaugh or faux noise.

I'm disappointed in you shammy! LOL!

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enigma

Jun-14-13 9:13 PM

CHayes, You've made my point about liberals believing and conservatives thinking perfectly. Thank You.

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nobud74

Jun-14-13 8:54 PM

You want to drug test corporate CEO's and tea party groups?--CH

Chris, the argument is that somehow we can use drug testing to cut down on our "hand outs." The reality is that it costs more to do the tests than you save. Stinks, but that is it. As for your comment, you confuse the drug testing welfare recipients with privately hired CEOs and Tea Party groups are also private enterprises who do not benefit financially from the American taxpayer. So, if Joe Big Boss is a coke head, that is up to the board to get rid of him, not you. If some Tea Party folks do drugs, that is a personal choice by them and they are subject to the laws of the land but it has no bearing on the group as a whole.

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 8:36 PM

" Liberals want to give people money, while conservatives want to give them a chance to make their own."

But didn't you just say conservatives give more to charity? That seems contradictory to me.

" Liberals believe the best way to help people is via the government while conservatives think the best way to help people is person to person."

Here's a revelation for you. What is the government? Feel free to use the Gettysburg Address for a cheat sheet.

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msgjsheets

Jun-14-13 8:07 PM

For President Kennedy to stick to his principles and beliefs today he would have to join the Republican Party. He would not believe what the Democrats have turned into.

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enigma

Jun-14-13 7:20 PM

I love how liberals think that the difference in liberalism and conservatism is that liberals care about people and conservatives don't. That would explain why conservatives give more to charity than liberals...oh wait, that points to just the opposite. But the real truth it's not about who cares and who doesn't, but the opinion of how best to help people. Liberals want to give people money, while conservatives want to give them a chance to make their own. Liberals believe the best way to help people is via the government while conservatives think the best way to help people is person to person. Liberals believe that others should pay for helping people, while conservatives think that each person should do their part. Overall, the difference is that liberals believe things and conservatives think things.

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 7:13 PM

I have to ask erik, are you really so desperate to refute something I say, that you would actually try and refute the statement:

"Much of the fraud that exists in our society today only exists because people turn a blind eye to it."

I must say, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind trying to refute a statement like that.

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 6:56 PM

" Reported illegal aliens are ignored by federal authorities despite being "reported"."

How would you know someone is an illegalalien by looking at them? You mean Hispanics?

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eriklatranyi

Jun-14-13 6:35 PM

CHayes said:

"Much of the fraud that exists in our society today only exists because people turn a blind eye to it."

Reported illegal aliens are ignored by federal authorities despite being "reported".

Swing and miss!

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 6:14 PM

" Chris, please man up on that 5 year cap. Everyone knows the "work around" to keep the checks coming"

I don't know any work around for the TANF cap. Not saying there isn't one, just that I don't know of one. Why would I?

" And you can't say you don't know anyone on SSI that has nothing wrong with them?"

Not only can I say that, but I'll one up it. I don't know anybody on SSI at all. I think John Hilfirty is on it, but he has legitimate medical issues, and I really only know him through here. Again, I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people on SSI, because clearly there are. Lawyers have become millionaires representing people with SSI claims.

And before you accuse me of leading some sort of sheltered life, I have literally hundreds of friends and acquaintances. My wife often gets mad when we're out of town, and I run into someone I know. It's happened several times.

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rmiller

Jun-14-13 6:07 PM

Premier,

Please don't feed the monkeys. :)

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Premier

Jun-14-13 5:58 PM

Chris, please man up on that 5 year cap. Everyone knows the "work around" to keep the checks coming.

And you can't say you don't know anyone on SSI that has nothing wrong with them? And SSI is LIFETIME.

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CHayes

Jun-14-13 4:32 PM

" I know people in thier 50's-60's who have never worked a day in thier life.Many younger folks too.All are on assistance in one form or another."

I suppose I'm curious how that can be since a five year lifetime cap on TANF assistance was signed into law in the 90's. If someone's degrading the system, they should clearly bets. reported. Much of the fraud that exists in our society today only exists because people turn a blind eye to it.

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