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Gas benefits questioned

June 15, 2013

Regarding gas drilling and other revenues (from gambling areas) that has come into pennsylvania, I have not seen anything that these monies have been put into our city/state except more heavy trucks......

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-18-13 10:15 PM

Brew4u,

I assume that you were using gasoline or diesel for fuel. If so, whose well did the oil come from to make the fuel? Or did you push the 4x4 up the hills and then coast down?

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Brew4U

Jun-18-13 6:58 PM

I got into this fray a bit late ... But here we go, spike2 great job. Bobbie2 ? I've hiked, swam, and rode ATVs in this entire area long before I drove a car. My Dad belonged to AJs 4x4 club and we also were all over any dirt(not 3 lane right of ways)roads that are undeveloped to this day. No drilling the Clarence Moore Lands, EVER

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-18-13 5:52 AM

Bobbie2,

I thought some may like to see the quarry that the mountain hides. That thing that takes more space and trees down than a drilling pad.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-17-13 10:05 PM

"Hey Spike take a look at the mountain behind S Williamsport, what do you see?"

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When I was there a couple of weeks ago, I saw trees. Green trees and lots of them.

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msgjsheets

Jun-17-13 9:28 PM

Spike, I forgot to mention how many family farms have been saved and eliminated crushing debt through the leases and royalties they receive. The money they received went to the places mentioned in the last post as well as auto and farm supply dealerships. Let's take every tax dollar associated with the gas industry out of state and local coffers and see what kind of shape the governments are in then!

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msgjsheets

Jun-17-13 9:24 PM

SHS may be the single largest employer but the gas industry employs more. Every restaurant, hotel, gas station, grocery and retail store, lumber company, carpenter, mason, electricians and plumbers as well as local and state governments have benefited from the gas industry being here.

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spike2

Jun-17-13 1:25 PM

Bobbie - what the heck do you see? Road work that is continuously done on 15. Given I actually come out and travel 15 S every Monday, feel free to state what gas-funded miracle you see occurring.

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spike2

Jun-17-13 11:32 AM

Bobbie - cute retort. What was saved? Denny's the Super 8, what? Show me which business was saved and how many in vacation areas are now hampered. Have you traveled around LaPorte lately, taken a look at Rose Valley, looked at home depreciation around drilling sites? Please, enlighten me with the names of the businesses who would have gone under but for gas.

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BillTriumph

Jun-16-13 5:03 PM

They injected over 600,000 kids with polio vaccine back in 1954... despite arguments from the virologists including a Nobel laureate and various "health officials". But since Marcellus Shale energy does nothing to help mankind there can be no comparison of the risks involved. The children could have died or spread a pandemic - but Salk's intention was "good". Surely the energy companies only interest is in extracting a valuable commodity and to*****with people.

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spike2

Jun-16-13 4:30 PM

BTW - Happy Father's Day to all the Dads!

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spike2

Jun-16-13 4:25 PM

BillTriumph. No. I think we are all tired of hearing what the gas companies believe as to effect or lack thereof to the "environment" or better, deeper levels in the earth's surface. No one knows to a degree of scientific certainty what numerous punctures through rock and so forth in addition to deep water drilling will cause. Maybe nothing. I still prefer to hedge my bets until more is known and presented by independent scientists.

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BillTriumph

Jun-16-13 9:44 AM

Oh how some long for the "good ole days" when the economy was based upon wood stoves, oil lamps, coal, steam, oats, a horse, and the resulting byproduct... the word for which is quite evident here in some of these posts.

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spike2

Jun-16-13 9:28 AM

MSG Sheets - yes I do both in support services and labor capacities. Gas caused this area to survive the recession. How? BTW, SHS is still the largest employer in our area.

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BillTriumph

Jun-16-13 9:10 AM

Lycoming County represented >6% of the State job growth based upon M.S. gas industry. Property owners, by State law will receive Billions. Counties with M.S. activity show average profitability up 10.8% vs. 1.7% (no M.S. activity). The county estimates about 4,000 jobs have been created by M.S. activity. The people who have jobs at "bars and hotels" are not complaining. The US had the largest world wide increase in energy production last year, I don't know how many heavy trucks were made.

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eriklatranyi

Jun-16-13 9:05 AM

Spike2:

There are large numbers of women working in the industry. I know several women who are welders, making 6-figures.

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CMReeder

Jun-16-13 7:23 AM

Most of the people I know Texas that were hired by the gas industry are working out of state. They are not working here. They are not exactly what one would call employee friendly.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-15-13 4:10 PM

If a high school graduate is interested in going into petroleum engineering, they might do pretty well. Google petroleum engineering starting salary 2012.

With a hundred years of Marcellus natural gas in PA, they might be able to live here most of their life.

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CitizenQ

Jun-15-13 12:40 PM

I am shocked yet pleasantly surprised to find myself agreeing with Mr. Shaman this morning. Thank you sir for participating with significant and relative comments to the subject. And Spike, I think you need to do a lot more research on the subject. There are a lot of jobs in the gas industry that do not have the requirements you list. And anyone I've spoken with who have worked in this industry (men & women) have been supplied with a great health package. Many of them beginning from day one, no waiting period.

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MrShaman

Jun-15-13 10:16 AM

Shammy, as much as I am, shall we say less than enamored with your usual commenting, I will agree emphatically with your 8:54 post.

We live in a wonderful area, but the resistance to any change is infuriating at times." - nobud74

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I'd spent 20+ years, in Colorado, where new-and-different was PURSUED, with EXTREME-enthusiasm!!! The growth...and, ENDURANCE...of new businesses, there, would make the average-Williamsporter's head spin!!

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msgjsheets

Jun-15-13 9:47 AM

Jamie and others will never see any benefits of gas production in the area because they won't look for it and won't accept it when it's pointed out to them. They will just keep their heads in the sand and continue with their propaganda. Spike, do you actually know anybody in the industry? This county and those surrounding it have survived the current recession purely because of the gas industry. The dollars being circulated through wages, leases and royalties are keeping non industry related businesses going, not to mention maintaining government services through the taxes collected each time a dollor changes hands.

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nobud74

Jun-15-13 9:07 AM

Shammy, as much as I am, shall we say less than enamored with your usual commenting, I will agree emphatically with your 8:54 post.

We live in a wonderful area, but the resistance to any change is infuriating at times.

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gavinf56

Jun-15-13 9:03 AM

"We aren't a drilling field state. Yes, someone can make money for working 60-90 our week at $12 -$14 per hour, lift 50 lbs.,etc. That cuts down the number of men (and certainly women) who can do this type of work. Seems like not such a good deal without any health insurance." - spike2

Not all the jobs associated with the drilling industry have those requirements.

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spike2

Jun-15-13 8:58 AM

To the intended question - how has the gas industry benefited our area? I agree that child abuse has absolutely nothing to do with the gas workers. I'm not sure what racial attitudes have to do with gas workers. They are not a protected class nor are they suffering any overt discrimination. I don't think they are targeted for individual characteristics but rather a dislike of the industry. Radioactive - in fairness, people were told that there would be an abundance of jobs for locals. As you said "what skills do you have to offer?" Why would anyone beyond manual labor? We aren't a drilling field state. Yes, someone can make money for working 60-90 our week at $12 -$14 per hour, lift 50 lbs.,etc. That cuts down the number of men (and certainly women) who can do this type of work. Seems like not such a good deal without any health insurance.

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MrShaman

Jun-15-13 8:54 AM

"Also, no new "family oriented" eating facilities except new bars and drinking places for all the people who have come from the South." - Jamie Aderhold

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...MORE-than-likely because, "the people who have come from the South" actually PATRONIZE new...AND, different...businesses!!!!!

Williamsport is HARDLY a "hotbed" of folks willing to "risk" patronizing new businesses. Give "the people who have come from the South" a little credit for NOT being too-paranoid to take some risks.

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gavinf56

Jun-15-13 8:45 AM

"Also, no new "family oriented" eating facilities except new bars and drinking places for all the people who have come from the South." - Jamie Aderhold

I guess those new ethnic eating establishments aren't family oriented since their cuisine isn't targeted to the "lily whites".

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