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The saddest part

June 17, 2013

With regard to the "Catch 22" letter which appeared in May 7's edition, perhaps there were many factors that allowed Dr. Gosnell to exist....

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 7:04 AM

"Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born." - spike2

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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I can't speak for Spike but I would think the word, "unlikely" is not all inclusive." - rmiller

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Yeah...I know...but (being the eternal-optimists), "moralists" are always hopeful!!

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:50 AM

"There are many more good lawyers than bad ones. On the other hand, I guess it depends on how you define bad, or who's defining it." - Francine

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...Much like (selectively) evaluating "immoral"/"irresponsible"-behavior.

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:46 AM

Spike:

Let's create responsibility by mandating adoption and charge the biological parents with support payments." - eriklatranyi

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Yeah...THAT'S why abortion is chosen...to make that final-payoff (of a condo, in Maui) less-inconvenient.

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:41 AM

"Gee I guess that explains why there is still children waiting to be adopted. That is children not babies. Yes people have heard of adoption. It can be costly." - CMReeder

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...And, quite obviously, INCONVENIENT (AFTER-the-fact), for "conservatives".

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:37 AM

"Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born." - spike2

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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - sham

This proves once again how twisted liberal thinking is. Obviously you've never heard of adoption." - GoBB62

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Yeah..."moralists" really come (FLYIN') outta-the-woodwork, when it comes to adopting "those" babies...who are (MORE-often-than-not) intended to be PUNISHMENT...for their mothers' "irresponsible"/"immoral"-behavior.

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:32 AM

OMG!!!! Cheney, Halliburton, WMD's?!?!?! What in the Wild World of Sports does that have to do with killing human beings?!?!?" - JohnZook

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Seriously?

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:27 AM

"Ah, yes...RECORDED-data is so-much-more less-reliable, than data/"truths" delivered, orally (i.e. what "they say")!!

Ya' wanna guess which one holds-up in a Court-of-Law?"

There's that para-legal emerging..." - rmiller

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No...that's FACT...much UNlike what you're "fed" by the Axis Of Ignorance (FAUX Noise/Porky Limbaugh/NY Post).

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:24 AM

"Ah, yes....'cause DICK Cheney had the moral-"authority" to lie about WMDs, right?? "

Show me where I said that?" - rmiller

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I digress. I'd assumed (when you were noting instances of "the over all breakdown of morality in this country.") you'd forgotten about that "little" item that managed to sacrifice 4,000+ American-servicemen/servicewomen.

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MrShaman

Jun-19-13 6:17 AM

"Want to know what your 'moral compass' will get you, more Dr. Gosnells." - CMReeder

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Exactly!!!

It's "almost"-as-if "conservatives" are PURPOSELY trying to make Life more-difficult for women (who've demonstrated "immoral"/"irresponsible"-behavior)...women who are (PERCEIVED to be) having more S E X than the average-"conservative".

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-18-13 8:10 PM

"When you don't fight poverty, neglect, violence or abuse Mike that is when your moral comnpass is broken."--CMReeder

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That is why we have laws in place to punish those that neglect their children, are violent and abusive. Are you proposing that it is morally acceptable to kill a baby in the womb?

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spike2

Jun-18-13 9:09 AM

Erik - you can't have adoption and collect support. Adoption means that these good people who do so are the legal parents. I doubt many adoptive parents want any connection, even financially, to either birth parent. If you create a "pay" system then adoption will essentially become a life-long foster care or placement. Foster care is a mixed bag. The money incentive makes it so. Some foster families are wonderful loving people who truly care about kids. Others, know it's great money and do very little for the children. Do you know how much is paid per month/per child? Approximately $700.00 per month/per child. This is great for those who spend the $ on the kids. This can be a ridiculously high income for those who don't.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 8:52 AM

Again we are discussing US abortion laws not international law.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 8:45 AM

The leftist banned it not the politicians and environmentalists. Boy Bobbie you really do need to see the dangers of DDT before you speak you dolt.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 7:52 AM

You are taking the decision away form them Mike by saying they can not have an abortion. You are also taking away the responsibility of sex away from them. This is what you are going to do not what you think is best for you.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 7:50 AM

Sorry Mike but abortion is nothing new, it was always in the shadows endnger the safety and health of women. the only difference is society made it legal now your side wants to make it illegal and in the shadows. You not only bought into it your approve of it.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 7:48 AM

How about starting with this country since we don't make world laws.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 7:47 AM

When you don't fight poverty, neglect, violence or abuse Mike that is when your moral comnpass is broken.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-18-13 4:10 AM

CMReeder-"Your moral compass is broken when you let children be born into poverty, neglect, abuse, violence."

And how do you predict that ahead of time? Being born into poverty doesn't equate to the rest of your list. Being a poor parent doesn't mean you can't love your kids and raise them right. Having children while you are poor doesn't mean you can't work your way out of poverty.

But since you think it does, I guess you think we should wipe out entire third world nations who are truly poor and live in true poverty.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-18-13 4:04 AM

CMReeder-"Your moral compass is broken when you take decision making abilities away from women. When you render women as nothing more than vessels and not human."

Really? We took their decision making ability away? They made the decision to have sex, didn't they? Made the decision to not use birth control, right? Made the decision to not use the 'morning after' pill which prevents the egg from attaching, correct? So now, after three bad decisions, you say we are taking their decision making ability away from them? Interesting, to say the least.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-18-13 3:54 AM

CMReeder-"Their hardline against abortion will only create more Dr. Gosnells, driving abortion into the shadows outside the law and endanger women and their health."

Using that logic the reason we have drug dealers and deaths due to drug use is because they are illegal. Not buying it, Chuck.

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USABorn

Jun-18-13 1:47 AM

I have a friend that adopted and the final cost was $33,000. All lawyer fees. There were no problems with the bio parents, no entanglements, just a straight-forward adoption. If this isn't greed, what is it?

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 12:09 AM

The moral compass covers more than what one thinks about abortion.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 12:07 AM

Adoption is costly Relene, it is out of reach for many.

Yes Relene the pro-lifers moral compass is broken. Their hardline against abortion will only create more Dr. Gosnells, driving abortion into the shadows outside the law and endanger women and their health.

Your moral compass is broken when you let children be born into poverty, neglect, abuse, violence.

Your moral compass is broken when you take decision making abilities away from women. When you render women as nothing more than vessels and not human.

Your moral compass is broken when you listen to the very institutes that allows its leaders to sexual abuse your children, I'm talking about the church here.

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 11:09 PM

"It can be costly"

Well Chuck, what do you figure the cost of a human life is worth nowadays? Since supply and demand are general rule of thumb practices, since Roe. v Wade....maybe the price of a penny..oh wait, the copper is worth more than the penny itself is worth. So, how much Chuck?

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 11:03 PM

Again John,

""Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born." - spike2

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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I can't speak for Spike but I would think the word, "unlikely" is not all inclusive. You might want to refresh your para-legal terminology. Unlikely doesn't have the synonym, "won't"...but hey, there's that liberal spin jumping right in.

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