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The saddest part

June 17, 2013

With regard to the "Catch 22" letter which appeared in May 7's edition, perhaps there were many factors that allowed Dr. Gosnell to exist....

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MrShaman

Jun-17-13 6:11 AM

"With regard to the "Catch 22" letter which appeared in May 7's edition, perhaps there were many factors that allowed Dr. Gosnell to exist. Perhaps a state government that wasn't diligent in facility inspections is partly to blame. But that is merely the tip of the iceberg. The problem is rooted in the over all breakdown of morality in this country."

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...In THIS Country...and, ELSEWHERE!!!!

See:

Truth about Halliburton and Dick Cheney (YouTube)

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-17-13 6:31 AM

Actually I would be more inclined to say that much of society has fully gravitated to the moral law of liberty (i.e. the woman's choice) and allowed it to trample the moral law of life (the unborn-the weak need to be protected and defended by society).

Abortion succeeds to remain because it is backed by a moral law, albeit providing a disguise for personal desire and convenience.

It is time that the important moral principal of "give me life" be given its just position and not be trampled by "give me liberty".

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eriklatranyi

Jun-17-13 7:22 AM

Nothing will change with these abortion mills that cater to the poorest and weakest members of our society, reinforcing the notion that life is without value.

Soon, we will have government panels deciding who gets treatment and who does not. We will have bureaucrats weighing the value of life by calculating their future tax contributions.

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Tgrammiex4

Jun-17-13 7:33 AM

Considering anyone can post ANYTHING on you tube, why would anyone use it as a verifiable source? I posted a video of my cat playing hockey with dry dog food, does that mean that ALL cats do that? Sheesh....

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 7:45 AM

John,

"Truth about Halliburton and Dick Cheney (YouTube)"

STOP WITH THIS HISTORICAL BLAME GAME!

Grow up and deal with your lack of sensitivity and value of human life.

Seek God's face while He may still be found.

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MrShaman

Jun-17-13 8:10 AM

"It is time that the important moral principal of "give me life" be given its just position and not be trampled by "give me liberty"." - ToTEXASfromPA

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So....where's the income-potential????

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MrShaman

Jun-17-13 8:13 AM

"We will have bureaucrats weighing the value of life by calculating their future tax contributions." - eriklatranyi

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WILL have??!!!

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MrShaman

Jun-17-13 8:19 AM

"Considering anyone can post ANYTHING on you tube, why would anyone use it as a verifiable source?" - Tgrammiex4

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Ah, yes...RECORDED-data is so-much-more less-reliable, than data/"truths" delivered, orally (i.e. what "they say")!!

Ya' wanna guess which one holds-up in a Court-of-Law?

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spike2

Jun-17-13 8:20 AM

Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born. Cute comments like abstaining and so forth would certainly solve the problem, but you as well as I, know this isn't going to happen. Either we agree we will pony up more money to recreate orphanages or we just hope somehow that people will be "responsible". We can say we won't pay for birth control, an effective alternative to most pregnancies, or we can yammer on and on about personal responsibility of young people between 15 and 24. We are preaching to ourselves. An alternative solution has to be a workable solution in the group we target. Does anyone have realistic solutions? (FYI - abortion does not only happen with the poor or weak. You are sorely lacking in real world experience if you believe this. I agree that You Tube is not a credible source for any argument.

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MrShaman

Jun-17-13 8:24 AM

"Truth about Halliburton and Dick Cheney (YouTube)"

STOP WITH THIS HISTORICAL BLAME GAME!" - rmiller

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Ah, yes....'cause DICK Cheney had the moral-"authority" to lie about WMDs, right??

I'm sure all those 4,000+ sets of parents (who'd sacrificed their children to St. DICK) will understand...eventually.

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MrShaman

Jun-17-13 8:26 AM

"Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born." - spike2

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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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CMReeder

Jun-17-13 8:43 AM

This is what Mr. Robertson does not get. Dr. Gosnell operated outside of the law and he was conveicted for that reason.

Want to know what your 'moral compass' will get you, more Dr. Gosnells.

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 9:23 AM

John,

"Ah, yes....'cause DICK Cheney had the moral-"authority" to lie about WMDs, right?? "

Show me where I said that?

And...

"Ah, yes...RECORDED-data is so-much-more less-reliable, than data/"truths" delivered, orally (i.e. what "they say")!!

Ya' wanna guess which one holds-up in a Court-of-Law?"

There's that para-legal emerging...

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JohnZook

Jun-17-13 9:55 AM

OMG!!!! Cheney, Halliburton, WMD's?!?!?! What in the Wild World of Sports does that have to do with killing human beings?!?!? Where's the correlation? This is the stuff of single minded psychotic hate-filled human beings with absolutely nothing to add to a reasonable debate. (my diagnosis) This is a discussion about life and death and we return to the so-called "failed policies of the past". Go figure.............

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GoBB62

Jun-17-13 12:17 PM

"Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born." - spike2

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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - sham

This proves once again how twisted liberal thinking is. Obviously you've never heard of adoption.

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CMReeder

Jun-17-13 12:32 PM

Gee I guess that explains why there is still children waiting to be adopted. That is children not babies. Yes people have heard of adoption. It can be costly.

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spike2

Jun-17-13 1:18 PM

Bobbie - neither practiced Family Law. At least go after the correct group of lawyers. There is a cost. Lawyers have at least 7 years of education. Should they earn minimum wage? An adoption will cost money. The alternative is having birth parents come back and take a child. We can't just put babies in a yard sale.

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Tgrammiex4

Jun-17-13 1:35 PM

Aren't some adoption expenses deductable?

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eriklatranyi

Jun-17-13 6:02 PM

Spike:

Let's create responsibility by mandating adoption and charge the biological parents with support payments.

If the mother cannot identify the biological father, she pays the full burden.

Use DNA testing to verify the biological parents and charge the mother more if she lies and tries to pin it on the wrong man.

THAT is responsibility in a community where everyone has to step up, not the liberal utopia where some can walk away from their children without responsibility.

We do a lousy job tracking down deadbeat fathers.

Perhaps, the Obama Administration could use their extensive database for some real good like identifying parole violators, deadbeat dads, pedophiles, sexual predators and illegal aliens.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-17-13 7:39 PM

Spike2,

My brother-in-law and his wife flew to Russia and adopted two children because it was cheaper and easier than doing it here in the US. A friend and his wife at a former church adopted four children from South Korea because it was cheaper and easier. Why is that so?

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 10:58 PM

"Want to know what your 'moral compass' will get you, more Dr. Gosnells."

Chuck, that statement is pathetic. You have the nerve to blame a moral compass mindset on cutting into a baby's skull and sucking out the brains? Tell me you're not blaming a murderer's cruel actions on the fact that some people have moral convictions, tell me, it ain't so.

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 11:03 PM

Again John,

""Here are the realities as I see them. A child who is unwanted before birth is unlikely to be wanted or cared for after born." - spike2

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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I can't speak for Spike but I would think the word, "unlikely" is not all inclusive. You might want to refresh your para-legal terminology. Unlikely doesn't have the synonym, "won't"...but hey, there's that liberal spin jumping right in.

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rmiller

Jun-17-13 11:09 PM

"It can be costly"

Well Chuck, what do you figure the cost of a human life is worth nowadays? Since supply and demand are general rule of thumb practices, since Roe. v Wade....maybe the price of a penny..oh wait, the copper is worth more than the penny itself is worth. So, how much Chuck?

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 12:07 AM

Adoption is costly Relene, it is out of reach for many.

Yes Relene the pro-lifers moral compass is broken. Their hardline against abortion will only create more Dr. Gosnells, driving abortion into the shadows outside the law and endanger women and their health.

Your moral compass is broken when you let children be born into poverty, neglect, abuse, violence.

Your moral compass is broken when you take decision making abilities away from women. When you render women as nothing more than vessels and not human.

Your moral compass is broken when you listen to the very institutes that allows its leaders to sexual abuse your children, I'm talking about the church here.

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CMReeder

Jun-18-13 12:09 AM

The moral compass covers more than what one thinks about abortion.

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